Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again

rogeringebo · 29th March 2006, 17:45

Whats wrong with my crap HID?
I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking...
How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive....
Its about 20 dives between repairs....
I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one

cys · 29th March 2006, 18:02

"Easy" solution, get an Agir Brokk or a Salvo...

rogeringebo · 29th March 2006, 18:40

So wich one?
Salvo 24w or Agir 21w
Anyone seen both under water?....does the 24w really shine brighter?
Is the Salvo more yellow or is that just the older ones?
Cheers Rodge

Nick uk. · 29th March 2006, 18:46

Salvo.

Mark Chase · 29th March 2006, 19:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

So wich one?
Salvo 24w or Agir 21w
Anyone seen both under water?....does the 24w really shine brighter?
Is the Salvo more yellow or is that just the older ones?
Cheers Rodge

Neither, Get the Salvo 18W, better light temperature than either of those two and longer burn time for the same batery pack and a much nicer balast. I just switched my 21W to the bulb upgrade and its very impresive.

Talk to the man at Diving nicnacks and he will expalin.

ATB

Mark Chase

ScubaG · 29th March 2006, 19:23

If you have a bulb HID (very fragile) you can use the new M11 Bulb. They are tougher and handlethe abuse a bit better.
Below is the cheapest I could get them, currently have the 12 degree and it works great.
Also no changes needed just plug it in.
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...OD&ProdID=2204

***jradomski*** · 29th March 2006, 19:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Whats wrong with my crap HID?
I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking...
How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive....
Its about 20 dives between repairs....
I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one

Sartek will do conversions of many HIDs to a brightstar bul at an affordable price and its very durable..

rogeringebo · 29th March 2006, 19:50

Can it deliver simular powerful light?

Rodge

***jradomski*** · 29th March 2006, 20:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Can it deliver simular powerful light?

Rodge

yes,
several manufacturers have switched to the brightstar bulb..

D a search, I know there are a few threads here on it, and definately alot over at thedecostop

cys · 29th March 2006, 21:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

So wich one?
Salvo 24w or Agir 21w
Anyone seen both under water?....does the 24w really shine brighter?
Is the Salvo more yellow or is that just the older ones?
Cheers Rodge

My understanding is that the 18 and 21W Salvo both use the same bulb at this time. Apparently with HIDs the ballast determines the output, but if anyone knows different I will defer to you (I read this on the web

). If you go to the Salvo page there is only the 10W or 21W shown now, apparently to simplify the product line for dealers (but supposedly the 18W is still available by request). The Salvo light has been widely discussed on direxplorers and other boards, and I read just about every post before making a decision. There is a consensus that the Brightstar bulb used by Salvo is more impact resistant than the WA bulb. I am going to take delivery of a Salvo 21W very soon. The color temperature of this light is 6500 Kelvin, which will give blue white light. The old Brightstar bulb no longer used gave yellowish light. I don't know anything about the Agir Brokk -- just put it down because of the location. People do seem to like their wings.

Chris

29th March 2006, 17:45	#1 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 671	Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Whats wrong with my crap HID? I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking... How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive.... Its about 20 dives between repairs.... I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one
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29th March 2006, 18:02	#2 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 201	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again "Easy" solution, get an Agir Brokk or a Salvo...
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29th March 2006, 18:40	#3 (permalink)
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29th March 2006, 18:46	#4 (permalink)
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29th March 2006, 19:08	#5 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,418	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) So wich one? Salvo 24w or Agir 21w Anyone seen both under water?....does the 24w really shine brighter? Is the Salvo more yellow or is that just the older ones? Cheers Rodge Neither, Get the Salvo 18W, better light temperature than either of those two and longer burn time for the same batery pack and a much nicer balast. I just switched my 21W to the bulb upgrade and its very impresive. Talk to the man at Diving nicnacks and he will expalin. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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29th March 2006, 19:23	#6 (permalink)
ScubaG New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA , PA Posts: 23	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again If you have a bulb HID (very fragile) you can use the new M11 Bulb. They are tougher and handlethe abuse a bit better. Below is the cheapest I could get them, currently have the 12 degree and it works great. Also no changes needed just plug it in. http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...OD&ProdID=2204
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29th March 2006, 19:31	#7 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,799	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Whats wrong with my crap HID? I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking... How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive.... Its about 20 dives between repairs.... I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one Sartek will do conversions of many HIDs to a brightstar bul at an affordable price and its very durable.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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29th March 2006, 19:50	#8 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 671	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Can it deliver simular powerful light? Rodge
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29th March 2006, 20:15	#9 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,799	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Can it deliver simular powerful light? Rodge yes, several manufacturers have switched to the brightstar bulb.. D a search, I know there are a few threads here on it, and definately alot over at thedecostop __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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29th March 2006, 21:18	#10 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 201	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) So wich one? Salvo 24w or Agir 21w Anyone seen both under water?....does the 24w really shine brighter? Is the Salvo more yellow or is that just the older ones? Cheers Rodge My understanding is that the 18 and 21W Salvo both use the same bulb at this time. Apparently with HIDs the ballast determines the output, but if anyone knows different I will defer to you (I read this on the web ). If you go to the Salvo page there is only the 10W or 21W shown now, apparently to simplify the product line for dealers (but supposedly the 18W is still available by request). The Salvo light has been widely discussed on direxplorers and other boards, and I read just about every post before making a decision. There is a consensus that the Brightstar bulb used by Salvo is more impact resistant than the WA bulb. I am going to take delivery of a Salvo 21W very soon. The color temperature of this light is 6500 Kelvin, which will give blue white light. The old Brightstar bulb no longer used gave yellowish light. I don't know anything about the Agir Brokk -- just put it down because of the location. People do seem to like their wings. Chris
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