Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again

mortenkjerulff · 29th March 2006, 21:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Whats wrong with my crap HID?
I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking...
How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive....
Its about 20 dives between repairs....
I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one

Hi.

Which model is it?

I have the 10w HID, and had no problems so far (I have even managed to drop the light head on the bathroom floor without the bulb breaking).

Morten

cys · 29th March 2006, 21:38

The color temperature fix on the 21W is recent there is conflicting information even in the same thread. IIRC the color temperature of the 24W is lower than the 21 or 18W for video. Pg 6 of the following thread has latest info on the 21W:

http://www.direxplorers.com/dir-kit-...ighlight=salvo

divingniknaks · 29th March 2006, 23:34

OK time for me to appear I think

Thanks Mark for the recomendation.

The "old style" bulb on the Salvo was a "warmer" temperature of light, not far off daylight temp at 5600 K.

The new bulb throws a temp of approx 6500 at 21W which gives that nice blue-white we all seek.

There was indeed some confusion from dealers with the "old" range of 18 and 24W lights, so Salvo decided to split the difference and go 21W.

It is indeed the ballast which controls the output, which is why some people were confused by the bulb being the same in 18, 21, and 24W lights.

Obviously burn time is affected a little by the Wattage, so that might have a bearing on what you want to do.

I'm not even going to go into the "reliabilty" discussion of WA bulbs v Brightstar, because IMHO that has already been done to death here and elsewhere.

[Unashamed Sales pitch on]

Salvo are still the only manufacturer who will gaurantee Bulb and Battery for 12months.
[Pitch off]

If you want to talk lights then please either PM us here, or email at enquires@divingniknaks.com or phone us on +44 (0)121 707 5783 or Skype us at Divingniknaks.

We will happily talk lights all day long, as a few peeps on here already know

HTH

rogeringebo · 30th March 2006, 04:30

Anyone tried the Metalsub Hid 200.......
Its suppose to be fantastic...
Any coments would be great...
Cheers
Rodge

RICHIE W · 30th March 2006, 07:37

hi there just some info re metal sub HID ,have bought hid125 light head and the 8.5 amp battery pack and am over the moon excellent light output neutral light temperature ,and well over 4 hours burn nearly 6 on one occasion ,(tested it in a bucket of water) ideal to get a weekends diving on one charge.fits great on the side of yellow box.good discounts via mikes waterfront dive stores hope this is of use cheers richie

lizardland · 30th March 2006, 09:35

Are you certain it is the bulb? I've had problems on mine with the wires breaking just inside the ballast housing.

rogeringebo · 30th March 2006, 09:43

Taking it back to the shop again today....worked fine on monday while diving and now dead again...battery is ok.....we will see what they find.....
Might buy th Metalsub Hid 200 in stead...
Rodge

pabusk · 30th March 2006, 10:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Taking it back to the shop again today....worked fine on monday while diving and now dead again...battery is ok.....we will see what they find.....
Might buy th Metalsub Hid 200 in stead...
Rodge

HID200 is a great light ... diving one since it has been itroduced. Has 3 powerlevels however the lowest powerlevel sometimes gives problems switching off in water below 4 degrees. However restarting it doiesn't give any problems.

Also the D2S car bulb seems to be indestructable !!

Regardless of that I can realy recomend it

VTR · 30th March 2006, 10:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Whats wrong with my crap HID?
I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking...
How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive....
Its about 20 dives between repairs....
I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one

I've been using 2 Kowalski Xenon torch's for about 4 years now & have never had a problem with them, & they are both still on the original bulbs. In that time they've been to various destinations around the world, been dropped on the boat deck & smacked against side-mounts, etc. I think it's fair to say that they've proved their worth. So much so, that I'm looking into upgrading to the umbilical version this year.

Info on the Kowalski range can be found here;-

http://www.lighthousediving.co.uk/

Cheers

Giles.

CharlieT · 31st March 2006, 17:19

Had a 100w halogen Metalsub umbilical which I swopped for a 28-50w HID Metalsub umbilical last year.
Both torches beautifully made and totally reliable.
HID bulb is known to be very tough.
We have 6 Metalsubs in my technical group and everyone v happy with them.
50w HID = 200w halogen so at max power it is one mother of a light!
Get 110 mins burn on max power using medium battery pack.
Mike's are UK importers of Metalsub and I've been buying kit from Mike's since October 1994.
Recharging is external using the same type of connector the lamp head uses so no way water can get in and no need to dissemble torch to recharge.

Charlie
London, UK

29th March 2006, 21:25	#11 (permalink)
mortenkjerulff Customise Me! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 143	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Whats wrong with my crap HID? I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking... How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive.... Its about 20 dives between repairs.... I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one Hi. Which model is it? I have the 10w HID, and had no problems so far (I have even managed to drop the light head on the bathroom floor without the bulb breaking). Morten
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29th March 2006, 21:38	#12 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 204	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again The color temperature fix on the 21W is recent there is conflicting information even in the same thread. IIRC the color temperature of the 24W is lower than the 21 or 18W for video. Pg 6 of the following thread has latest info on the 21W: http://www.direxplorers.com/dir-kit-...ighlight=salvo
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29th March 2006, 23:34	#13 (permalink)
divingniknaks RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Midlands , UK Posts: 71	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again OK time for me to appear I think Thanks Mark for the recomendation. The "old style" bulb on the Salvo was a "warmer" temperature of light, not far off daylight temp at 5600 K. The new bulb throws a temp of approx 6500 at 21W which gives that nice blue-white we all seek. There was indeed some confusion from dealers with the "old" range of 18 and 24W lights, so Salvo decided to split the difference and go 21W. It is indeed the ballast which controls the output, which is why some people were confused by the bulb being the same in 18, 21, and 24W lights. Obviously burn time is affected a little by the Wattage, so that might have a bearing on what you want to do. I'm not even going to go into the "reliabilty" discussion of WA bulbs v Brightstar, because IMHO that has already been done to death here and elsewhere. [Unashamed Sales pitch on] Salvo are still the only manufacturer who will gaurantee Bulb and Battery for 12months. [Pitch off] If you want to talk lights then please either PM us here, or email at enquires@divingniknaks.com or phone us on +44 (0)121 707 5783 or Skype us at Divingniknaks. We will happily talk lights all day long, as a few peeps on here already know HTH __________________ Phill --------------------- www.divingniknaks.com Salvo, Agir-Brokk and Deep Sea Supply in the UK Last edited by divingniknaks : 29th March 2006 at 23:38.
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30th March 2006, 04:30	#14 (permalink)
rogeringebo Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 702	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Anyone tried the Metalsub Hid 200....... Its suppose to be fantastic... Any coments would be great... Cheers Rodge
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30th March 2006, 07:37	#15 (permalink)
RICHIE W New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: brotton cleveland uk Posts: 4	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again hi there just some info re metal sub HID ,have bought hid125 light head and the 8.5 amp battery pack and am over the moon excellent light output neutral light temperature ,and well over 4 hours burn nearly 6 on one occasion ,(tested it in a bucket of water) ideal to get a weekends diving on one charge.fits great on the side of yellow box.good discounts via mikes waterfront dive stores hope this is of use cheers richie
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30th March 2006, 09:35	#16 (permalink)
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30th March 2006, 09:43	#17 (permalink)
rogeringebo Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 702	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Taking it back to the shop again today....worked fine on monday while diving and now dead again...battery is ok.....we will see what they find..... Might buy th Metalsub Hid 200 in stead... Rodge
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30th March 2006, 10:06	#18 (permalink)
pabusk Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 131	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Taking it back to the shop again today....worked fine on monday while diving and now dead again...battery is ok.....we will see what they find..... Might buy th Metalsub Hid 200 in stead... Rodge HID200 is a great light ... diving one since it has been itroduced. Has 3 powerlevels however the lowest powerlevel sometimes gives problems switching off in water below 4 degrees. However restarting it doiesn't give any problems. Also the D2S car bulb seems to be indestructable !! Regardless of that I can realy recomend it
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30th March 2006, 10:30	#19 (permalink)
VTR New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Devon Posts: 39	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Whats wrong with my crap HID? I carry it like a baby,wrapped in a gay sock,wrapped in towels,in a f###ing babyseat with safetybelt on and still the damn thing keeps on braking... How can something so incredible dodgy be so expensive.... Its about 20 dives between repairs.... I had it with that brand and I rather dive in the dark than getting another one I've been using 2 Kowalski Xenon torch's for about 4 years now & have never had a problem with them, & they are both still on the original bulbs. In that time they've been to various destinations around the world, been dropped on the boat deck & smacked against side-mounts, etc. I think it's fair to say that they've proved their worth. So much so, that I'm looking into upgrading to the umbilical version this year. Info on the Kowalski range can be found here;- http://www.lighthousediving.co.uk/ Cheers Giles.
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31st March 2006, 17:19	#20 (permalink)
CharlieT Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 449	Re: Here we go again,The Halcyon HID is dead again Had a 100w halogen Metalsub umbilical which I swopped for a 28-50w HID Metalsub umbilical last year. Both torches beautifully made and totally reliable. HID bulb is known to be very tough. We have 6 Metalsubs in my technical group and everyone v happy with them. 50w HID = 200w halogen so at max power it is one mother of a light! Get 110 mins burn on max power using medium battery pack. Mike's are UK importers of Metalsub and I've been buying kit from Mike's since October 1994. Recharging is external using the same type of connector the lamp head uses so no way water can get in and no need to dissemble torch to recharge. Charlie London, UK
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