Oxygen injection solenoid

jhaaja · 19th February 2008, 07:13

Could this be something similar?

A.P.Diving Direct

and look for the O2 solenoid in the bottom left...

JH

divetheworld · 19th February 2008, 12:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

Could this be something similar?

A.P.Diving Direct

and look for the O2 solenoid in the bottom left...

JH

It is difficult to tell because the solenoid is covered up. Perhaps when someone gets one, they can post a picture so we can see.

If it is a Clippard Mouse solenoid (the shape is consistent with it) then it will most likely be made to APD's spec or one of the others made by Clippard contructed out of nickel plated brass as the oxygen cleaned stainless valve is exclusive to us. If your curious, best that you contact APD and ask them how theirs differs from ours.

If it is the Clippard mouse solenoid then I have to say that we are both flattered and glad they chosen a valve with its characteristics. It will certainly be an improvement long time coming. I guess our release of the Deep Pursuit in September and time spent looking over our kit at the NEC last year wasnt a waste of time.

We chose the all stainless version because we tested the standard nickel brass version about March last year but found it to corrode. We approached the European distributor with our problem who assured us there was no manufacturing defect and was a result of the environment it was placed in. Not the news we wanted to hear which is why we invested in the stainless steel version. We probably could have reduced our costs substantially if we had not gone for the very top spec solenoid but we have hopefully assumed correctly that the end user would not want to compromise.
Incedentally, it's been a joy to work with Clippard/West Group on this. They have listened and accomodated our suggestions to arrive at a product that Narked at 90 are proud to put their name against. If we're not happy to dive with it, you dont get to buy it from us. Thats the bottom line.

Clippard have a number of options in specification which are summarised;
Nickel/brass or stainless
standard or oxygen compatible
oxygen compatible or oxygen compatible and oxygen cleaned.

Obviously cost is a factor of each of the options. We went all in for stainless, cleaned and compatible. The retail price of our solenoid will be £100.
Speaking of cost, when we started the "Deep Pursuit" project, we set a target retail price of £2000. We have made some substantial design improvement while the unit was undergoing testing. One of those improvements was the stainless solenoid. The price is not changing on our system.

narked at 90 · 19th February 2008, 20:58

This was one of the test solenoids after a few hours in a rebreather..
not a pretty sight!
kind regards john

divetheworld · 1st March 2008, 20:26

Another pic of the rejected test solenoid. This is why we went stainless.

rchrds · 2nd March 2008, 03:37

Will these be available to the homebuild market?

Thanks!

Jason

narked at 90 · 2nd March 2008, 10:18

the short answer is yes, we are just waiting on delivery of the first production run.
kind regards john routley

Quote: (Originally Posted by rchrds)

Will these be available to the homebuild market?

Thanks!

Jason

rchrds · 3rd March 2008, 01:44

Fantastic! Keep us informed- i'm in for one.

Quote: (Originally Posted by narked at 90)

the short answer is yes, we are just waiting on delivery of the first production run.
kind regards john routley

nobody · 14th April 2008, 08:42

It says on the website that these are now in stock but i cannot seem to find them. Are they just not listed yet?

divetheworld · 14th April 2008, 08:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by nobody)

It says on the website that these are now in stock but i cannot seem to find them. Are they just not listed yet?

Thats right, we'll get round to putting them on the webshop ASAP. In the mean time, send John a mail if you need one now.

Brent

jaap · 14th April 2008, 14:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

The attachment below is our technical specification paper on the "Deep & Altus Pursuit" solenoid.

www.grpservices.com/solenoid.pdf

Nice work!

So the max IP is 7 bar, how sensitive is the solenoid to higher pressures?

Any plans to make one that is compatible with higher IP-settings for hybrid modes using a leaky valve in parallel?

19th February 2008, 07:13	#11 (permalink)
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divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,511	Re: Oxygen injection solenoid Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) Could this be something similar? A.P.Diving Direct and look for the O2 solenoid in the bottom left... JH It is difficult to tell because the solenoid is covered up. Perhaps when someone gets one, they can post a picture so we can see. If it is a Clippard Mouse solenoid (the shape is consistent with it) then it will most likely be made to APD's spec or one of the others made by Clippard contructed out of nickel plated brass as the oxygen cleaned stainless valve is exclusive to us. If your curious, best that you contact APD and ask them how theirs differs from ours. If it is the Clippard mouse solenoid then I have to say that we are both flattered and glad they chosen a valve with its characteristics. It will certainly be an improvement long time coming. I guess our release of the Deep Pursuit in September and time spent looking over our kit at the NEC last year wasnt a waste of time. We chose the all stainless version because we tested the standard nickel brass version about March last year but found it to corrode. We approached the European distributor with our problem who assured us there was no manufacturing defect and was a result of the environment it was placed in. Not the news we wanted to hear which is why we invested in the stainless steel version. We probably could have reduced our costs substantially if we had not gone for the very top spec solenoid but we have hopefully assumed correctly that the end user would not want to compromise. Incedentally, it's been a joy to work with Clippard/West Group on this. They have listened and accomodated our suggestions to arrive at a product that Narked at 90 are proud to put their name against. If we're not happy to dive with it, you dont get to buy it from us. Thats the bottom line. Clippard have a number of options in specification which are summarised; Nickel/brass or stainless standard or oxygen compatible oxygen compatible or oxygen compatible and oxygen cleaned. Obviously cost is a factor of each of the options. We went all in for stainless, cleaned and compatible. The retail price of our solenoid will be £100. Speaking of cost, when we started the "Deep Pursuit" project, we set a target retail price of £2000. We have made some substantial design improvement while the unit was undergoing testing. One of those improvements was the stainless solenoid. The price is not changing on our system. __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 19th February 2008 at 13:36.
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rchrds New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 39	Re: Oxygen injection solenoid Will these be available to the homebuild market? Thanks! Jason
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rchrds New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 39	Re: Oxygen injection solenoid Fantastic! Keep us informed- i'm in for one. Quote: (Originally Posted by narked at 90) the short answer is yes, we are just waiting on delivery of the first production run. kind regards john routley
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nobody New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	Re: Oxygen injection solenoid It says on the website that these are now in stock but i cannot seem to find them. Are they just not listed yet?
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divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,511	Re: Oxygen injection solenoid Quote: (Originally Posted by nobody) It says on the website that these are now in stock but i cannot seem to find them. Are they just not listed yet? Thats right, we'll get round to putting them on the webshop ASAP. In the mean time, send John a mail if you need one now. Brent __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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jaap Normal people worry me Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR RB80 / Clone Ray Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Ray Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 437	Re: Oxygen injection solenoid Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) The attachment below is our technical specification paper on the "Deep & Altus Pursuit" solenoid. www.grpservices.com/solenoid.pdf Nice work! So the max IP is 7 bar, how sensitive is the solenoid to higher pressures? Any plans to make one that is compatible with higher IP-settings for hybrid modes using a leaky valve in parallel? __________________ My initials: JAAP
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