Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers?

Hugh

The thread is jumping around a bit, we moved from the fact that there are limitations of doing these 6 hour + bottom times with a SCR, from there to:

High cost and inconvienance of OC/SCR diving. More conviennet to dive a CCR for ocean wreck dives to:

If GUE dont go CCR, they will loose market share, to:

Some GUE trained divers are boring, keep to themsleves to

No - way can/should GUE develop a CCR Course as they cant possibly know anything about CCR's.

Although I dont have any formal GUE training my take is that its not about the gear, its about team work and I would think that any ccr training would be similar to the RB80 training which from the reports Ive read has a lot of failures/team scenarios, but then again I could be way off base.

Regards


Hugh

Richard Lundgren

Hi Stuart

This is an excellent remark Stuart. IF...GUE would support CCR in the future both time and care would certainly be put into the development of such a program. It’s not like we haven’t developed and refined programs, procedures or techniques before but integrating CCR in our training and operational procedures would for sure take an ample amount of time and effort. However, all things would not have to be started from scratch nor reinvented.

I again would like to lend a few minutes of your attention and stress the fact that right now GUE does not have any developed plans to integrate CCR diving under the GUE operational procedures. What the future will bring depends on so many factors and right now GUE is quite happy developing and refining our existing programs. The fact that many ccr divers would like to see GUE contribute delivering ccr training is flattering as is the fact that many more divers implement some of our procedures into their ccr diving.
Maybe you all should bring your ideas, experience and thoughts for the future to the conference in Budapest? Maybe we can all benefit from such an event and learn from it.
Reading this thread has been bout inspiring but also sad. Comments like cults, Nazis, strokes and religion has nothing to do with the recreational sport that we all have a passion for. Comments like those only serve to dampen enthusiasm, constructive discussions and development. Some of us who have been around for a while know that “both sides” have an equal share of blame for this. It’s time to put an end to this isn’t it? The world isn’t black or white nor is it divided between open circuit divers and closed circuit divers. Most of you here on Rebreather World are recreational technical divers who have chosen to use a range of different rebreathers, other dedicated forums have the same core of divers with the only exception that they have chosen to use a different gas delivering tool. Within GUE, conduct or disrespectful comments like the above does not settle well with our mission statement and policy of conduct. GUE can’t control every GUE trained diver’s behavior nor do we want to but we can certainly motivate our Instructor corp.
To have strong opinions is cool, I love that, but to disrespect others by calling them Nazis is not.
Again, thanks for letting me steal some time from your hectic lives,
Richard Lundgren

Mephisto26

Hey Richard,

I couldn't agree more with you, it's a sport after all isn't it?
Here in Playa we dive the same caves everybody and we get a long just fine...The GUE Instructors here are great sports and I'm always happy to have a chat with them at the Cenote before we jump in and everybody doing his thing...and honestly, besides the label on our equipment you won't hardly find differences between any of us under water...

Thanks for your contribution to this forum allthough many here ain't that friendly...

In my opinion you raised the bar, thanks for that and keep on going...

Now I have to go diving...the caves are waiting...

Cheers,
Patrick

RonMicjan

Awesome, its great to see a few of y'all come out and say your piece. Perhaps it was incorrect to "paint them all with the same brush" as was mentioned. I do have an open mind and willingly excercise it, despite previous experience. It would be nice to have some of that kinder, friendlier attitude make its way out here to the Pacific Northwest. I will be on the lookout for it. Any DIR divers who cross my path will be handed an olive branch (hopefully they wont try to beat me with it).

Lets see what comes out of Bucharest eh?

Its still been a fun thread

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RAL

Ya the name calling does little to sort out whats what. With all due respect Mr Lundgren the WKPP brought these perceptions on themselves. When the leader of the "team" posted with gouhlish glee after each CCR fatality about what strokes they were, they deserved to die, issue shovels with the gear.......... people tend to get a little angry. These where not rare tirades & seemed to be the party line. It is going to take time & effort to repair the damage done. I imagine its kinda hard to forget it when someone pisses on a dead friends grave. If the GUE DIR WKPP guys want to really extend the olive branch & join polite society they could start by opening up the dive sites that they closed with the art politic.
DIR is a great system. It is however nothing more than a clever marketing plan based on a repackaged Hogartian model. It is a little like AL Gore "inventing" the internet to claim that this is "their system", they mearly added the elitist exclusionary aspects & added a price tag.
The accomplishments of the WKPP are the ne plus ultra of cave diving, it is too bad it all has been tainted by this smallness.

RAL

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Since the departure of GI3, there has been no active closure of any dive sites that I am aware of. In fact Emerald, which was formerly closed, is now open. Admittedly the WKPP has successfully negotiated the permitting process for Wakulla, but that doesn't stop others from doing the same. Besides, the WKPP is not the only group that has sought to establish control over who dives in 'their' caves. Just look at the asinine policies that are in place to dive at Indian.

Yes, when it came to name calling and finger pointing in the late 90s, the WKPP gave as good as they got. But from what I can tell those days are long gone.

Brian

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That's DIR Lite, that doesn't really count, Michael.

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RAL

Emerald was opened due to the efforts of others outside the WKPP. There was much gnashing of teeth & torn clothing over that deal too. Times they are a changing no doubt. My intent is not to cause trouble just trying to put things in perspective.The hard feelings that many have is understandable.
The fact that they are even having this debate is great. Sure would like to be a fly on the wall, there is going to be a lot of knowledge in that room. Someone should record it.


RAL

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RAL

As I wrote many things were written in the early days that we now wish was written with invisible inc. Even more things were being said. We can not rewind the tape and erase but we can decide upon what we will do today and how to act tomorrow.

The GUE conference will be recorded in HD and hopefully be made public not to long after the event. So, no need to put on that dashing fly suit

Take care
Richard Lundgren