Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers?

graham_hk

Game on - there's caves aplenty in Asia. Can we make it PhDs only though?

Chasey - thanks for your kind words.

Nailer99

Only if they're all Liberal arts PhDs.

Speakeasy

From the looks of it, Mr GI3 will be debating said use of CCR , at said upcoming event. I wish I was going, should be a good show!

divingtoors

That is a good point.
With 10Hr + exposures, maybe man has finnally reached the limit of what current equipment and technology can offer him in terms of underwater exposure without resorting to some new "Jim suit" or mini-submarine type thingiem, that can carry loads of sorb and O2.
Off course, throwing enough equipment at the problem might resolve a part of it

Saturation diving might be the next step they will need to follow

Regards

Johan

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RonMicjan

Im not even a junior, although my dad's first name is Ron, our middle names are different, but thanks anyway!

Come on Mike, I learned this technique from you m8!

Ah...Mike, thats cause they are all on the deco stop, arguing about which scooter is best. They wont be here, we are all the spawn of satan, remember DIR rule number one, dont dive with strokes and by definition, we are the biggest strokes of all.

except that I NEVER said there is only one way to do something, I am open to any ideas, except a closed mind and elitest attitude.

Agreed, but the religious zealots are the ones proving my observations. I have room in my heart for all divers, even recreational OC poodle jacket and split fin wearing, PADI DM candidates that are rototilling the bottom and telling thier guppies behind my back on a dive boat that the guy on the CCR is just an obituary in the making. This from the guy with 45 dives all in the same dive site and all the way to a whole 90 feet. But Hey, I was there once.

Hey Mike, i hear that there is a DIR rebreather group starting up, I could put a good word in for ya! Of course being the rule breaker you are, I dont think even my recomendation would get you past the initiation. You have get through a whole dive without cracking a smile

I am actually looking through the prospectus, and will consider joining up, but as soon as someone starts preaching were right your wrong, I would be gone!

I find that there is plenty of room on the average dive boat for a DIR diver, but not much room on their boat for us. and I guess that is my whole point in a nutshell.

this is such a fun thread,

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aknelson

The DIR principles has advantages and makes for a lot of folks sense. What is a bit disturbing is that the the diving community is divided like religious sects.
A lot is demonstrated by having certain dive sites exclusive reserved for certain group members.
Guess this is to exclude competition ..pride ...and information flow.
As mentioned by others It would help when we all work a bit closer together and therefore drive the training agencies and manufacturers to improve their products for all of us.
Lets see how the "Reformation" turns out.

Regards Andreas

If GUE loose the market for these divers over to the other agencies and equipment providers then they will lose money and the kudos of any achievements made in this arena. They are beginning to realize that CCR is rapidly gaining market share and they are loosing top end divers over to the side of cost effective and logisticaly simple diving.
They cant ignore that on any realistic business plan.
Far better to acknowledge that yes CCR is dangerous but that 95% of all fatalities are due to diver error. Then build a systems and training package to eliminate the bulk of these issues and start a real DIR-R

Id be near the front of the que.
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Dave Sutton

That's a keeper......

Dave

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netmage

Proper (non inflammatory) definition of 'stoke' is an unsafe diver. As to where to draw the line is up to individual personal preference as to what is 'unsafe'. Personally, there are a few critical aspects of the DIR philosophy I consider rule-breakers when 'buddying' up with someone; ascent/deco philosophy, sit awareness, gas selection, streamlining. In my opinion, none of this precludes CCR in and of itself. In fact I do quite a few dives w/ two Meg divers, and they've got me convinced to swing. CCR vs. OC is simply a tool selection. By far the more significant element of DIR rests between your ears; is your head on straight and are you compromising safety and reliability for cheap and complacency.

Without pigeonholeing and typing out an exhaustive list... items that I do 'rule one' someone over; deep air (heck, any air), streamlining, and the balanced rig. If we're doing the Hydro; helium is called for. In my neck of the woods, Nitrox is freely avaialble w/ zero to marginal increased cost, air is for tires...... And if someone shows up w/ ornaments hanging off like a christmas tree; I'm not going to feel safe doing a serious dive with them. They just don't have their shit together. If your severely over weighted, your not going to be able to control your bouyancy effectively.

Sorry to hear of your bad experiences. Like any 'movement', it has its 1%'ers that ruin it for everyone else. Some friends have had 'experiences' when trying to get service at some of the local 'temples' (EE and Brownies), at worst I think they got a sales pitch. And I've been on their boats, in fact during my helitrox class CCR's were present and the local GUE instructor was getting the lowdown on the unit.

Two weekends ago, I was on a local charter boat. And a bunch of FSU students were down for the weekend. One (who happens to also be a caver) looks at my buddies Meg's, and my rig, which also shouts caver (hog, long hose, etc) and he see's the Halcyon backpad and asks "So are you one of those DIR guys", to which I responded "well - what do you think that means?" and we had a reasonable conversation how when you look at alot of conventional cave philosophy - there arn't too many differences.

db8us

That is the worst prejudice i have ever read!

We always have a lot of fun and the "work part" is done so quickly that ere is enough time for BBQ, beer, chats, etc!

So i really have to speak up here!

Regards from India

Michael

Drmike

exactly Ron, you are open to any ideas BUT theirs.

What you call a closed mind some would call commonality of technique, skills and attitude, what some call elitest attitude some would call justified pride in achievements and differentiation from what they see as unsafe divers

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'Rebreather diving' is not a sport
its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment