Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers?

***caveseeker7*** · 21st November 2007, 17:57

I find it quite curious that GUE/DIR is debating CCRs is such a big issue.
Aside from the weirdos that just got through their DIR-F (or as likely, not) and wear GI3's picture in one of the little Baghwan necklaces I've never ran into problems with DIR-trained divers, much less GUE instructors and officials. They may not share my view on diving, and may not want to dive buddied up with me, but that's their choice. I've refused to dive with people in the past based on how I perceived their skills.

Pretty much the one thing they all said is that they don't need CCR capability to do the dives they do. Hence they don't use them. That, actually, was the same answer regarding the GUE supported RB80, too.

The fact that GUE is debating CCRs just shows that their minds aren't as closed as some people seem to believe.

The obvious capability, reliability and safety of the RB80 are hard to match, much less exceed. If someone can design and build a CCR that does the latter, and GUE actually needs the capability for explorations, I'm reasonably sure they would use it. But I doubt that it would change their stance on using rebreathers in general or their strict requirements to train on or use them.

RAL · 21st November 2007, 18:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Richard Lundgren)

RAL

As I wrote many things were written in the early days that we now wish was written with invisible inc. Even more things were being said. We can not rewind the tape and erase but we can decide upon what we will do today and how to act tomorrow.

The GUE conference will be recorded in HD and hopefully be made public not to long after the event. So, no need to put on that dashing fly suit

Take care
Richard Lundgren

Who told you about my flysuit

? Oh never mind put me down for a dvd.

RAL

RonMicjan · 21st November 2007, 21:05

Just in case there are those who are of the opinion that I take my self too seriously, please refer to the attached photo from the DEMA party 07 and I swear I had nothing to drink.

sorry stuart, it would have come out sometime anyway!

cool_hardware52 · 21st November 2007, 21:30

Which one is Stuart?

Tobin

Hyper-limits · 21st November 2007, 23:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by cool_hardware52)

Which one is Stuart?

Tobin

The one dress like 007

Drmike · 21st November 2007, 23:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

The fact that GUE is debating CCRs just shows that their minds aren't as closed as some people seem to believe.
.

exactly

Drmike · 21st November 2007, 23:56

Lol! I was going to suggest we use this pic in the caption post - but Ron has already suggested the winner

LOL!

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

sorry stuart, it would have come out sometime anyway!

Gilles · 22nd November 2007, 03:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mephisto26)

... many here ain't that friendly...

ain't that the truth...

Quote:

Now I have to go diving...the caves are waiting...

B-A-S-T-*-*-D

Drmike · 22nd November 2007, 04:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles)

B-A-S-T-*-*-D

well thats not very friendly now is it

finbar.taylor · 22nd November 2007, 06:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

I find it quite curious that GUE/DIR is debating CCRs is such a big issue.
Aside from the weirdos that just got through their DIR-F (or as likely, not) and wear GI3's picture in one of the little Baghwan necklaces I've never ran into problems with DIR-trained divers, much less GUE instructors and officials. They may not share my view on diving, and may not want to dive buddied up with me, but that's their choice. I've refused to dive with people in the past based on how I perceived their skills.

Pretty much the one thing they all said is that they don't need CCR capability to do the dives they do. Hence they don't use them. That, actually, was the same answer regarding the GUE supported RB80, too.

The fact that GUE is debating CCRs just shows that their minds aren't as closed as some people seem to believe.

The obvious capability, reliability and safety of the RB80 are hard to match, much less exceed. If someone can design and build a CCR that does the latter, and GUE actually needs the capability for explorations, I'm reasonably sure they would use it. But I doubt that it would change their stance on using rebreathers in general or their strict requirements to train on or use them.

I've stayed out of this until now but I agree with this statement entirely!all the DIR trained divers I have met will listen to all view point and even adopt other people's processes if it improves their safty. Hell I even got one GUE diver to carry a suicide clip in their kit!The people that I have a problenm are DIR wana bee's. Some one who has bough the halcycon kit done no training but read all of GI3's ramblings. I believe these people either give up diving very quickly, decide DIR/GUE is not for them and go TDI/IANTD/other route or actually do a GUE course become very good divers and stop ramming their system down you throat. either way is good if we could just kill of the wanabee preaching a little earlier. how about a law being passed that you can't talk DIR on an internet forum unless you ask a question untill you have a certain number of dives/hours?Fin

21st November 2007, 17:57	#91 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,456	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? I find it quite curious that GUE/DIR is debating CCRs is such a big issue. Aside from the weirdos that just got through their DIR-F (or as likely, not) and wear GI3's picture in one of the little Baghwan necklaces I've never ran into problems with DIR-trained divers, much less GUE instructors and officials. They may not share my view on diving, and may not want to dive buddied up with me, but that's their choice. I've refused to dive with people in the past based on how I perceived their skills. Pretty much the one thing they all said is that they don't need CCR capability to do the dives they do. Hence they don't use them. That, actually, was the same answer regarding the GUE supported RB80, too. The fact that GUE is debating CCRs just shows that their minds aren't as closed as some people seem to believe. The obvious capability, reliability and safety of the RB80 are hard to match, much less exceed. If someone can design and build a CCR that does the latter, and GUE actually needs the capability for explorations, I'm reasonably sure they would use it. But I doubt that it would change their stance on using rebreathers in general or their strict requirements to train on or use them. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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21st November 2007, 18:28	#92 (permalink)
RAL Longbottom Time Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Florida Posts: 390	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by Richard Lundgren) RAL As I wrote many things were written in the early days that we now wish was written with invisible inc. Even more things were being said. We can not rewind the tape and erase but we can decide upon what we will do today and how to act tomorrow. The GUE conference will be recorded in HD and hopefully be made public not to long after the event. So, no need to put on that dashing fly suit Take care Richard Lundgren Who told you about my flysuit? Oh never mind put me down for a dvd. RAL __________________ The sea does not care about you.
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21st November 2007, 21:30	#94 (permalink)
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21st November 2007, 23:45	#95 (permalink)
Hyper-limits Al Delisle Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 144	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by cool_hardware52) Which one is Stuart? Tobin The one dress like 007 __________________ "The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear. And the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown" H.P. Lovecraft
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21st November 2007, 23:55	#96 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,325	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) The fact that GUE is debating CCRs just shows that their minds aren't as closed as some people seem to believe. . exactly __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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22nd November 2007, 03:57	#98 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 762	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mephisto26) ... many here ain't that friendly... ain't that the truth... Quote: Now I have to go diving...the caves are waiting... B-A-S-T---D __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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22nd November 2007, 04:55	#99 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,325	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles) B-A-S-T---D well thats not very friendly now is it __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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22nd November 2007, 06:47	#100 (permalink)
finbar.taylor Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK, SE Posts: 104	Re: Gue debating use of eccr rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) I find it quite curious that GUE/DIR is debating CCRs is such a big issue. Aside from the weirdos that just got through their DIR-F (or as likely, not) and wear GI3's picture in one of the little Baghwan necklaces I've never ran into problems with DIR-trained divers, much less GUE instructors and officials. They may not share my view on diving, and may not want to dive buddied up with me, but that's their choice. I've refused to dive with people in the past based on how I perceived their skills. Pretty much the one thing they all said is that they don't need CCR capability to do the dives they do. Hence they don't use them. That, actually, was the same answer regarding the GUE supported RB80, too. The fact that GUE is debating CCRs just shows that their minds aren't as closed as some people seem to believe. The obvious capability, reliability and safety of the RB80 are hard to match, much less exceed. If someone can design and build a CCR that does the latter, and GUE actually needs the capability for explorations, I'm reasonably sure they would use it. But I doubt that it would change their stance on using rebreathers in general or their strict requirements to train on or use them. I've stayed out of this until now but I agree with this statement entirely!all the DIR trained divers I have met will listen to all view point and even adopt other people's processes if it improves their safty. Hell I even got one GUE diver to carry a suicide clip in their kit!The people that I have a problenm are DIR wana bee's. Some one who has bough the halcycon kit done no training but read all of GI3's ramblings. I believe these people either give up diving very quickly, decide DIR/GUE is not for them and go TDI/IANTD/other route or actually do a GUE course become very good divers and stop ramming their system down you throat. either way is good if we could just kill of the wanabee preaching a little earlier. how about a law being passed that you can't talk DIR on an internet forum unless you ask a question untill you have a certain number of dives/hours?Fin
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