David Shaw last dive on national TV

divelermentov · 4th May 2007, 02:44

Just saw David Shaws last dive (footage on youtube).

This was shown on national TV a coulpe of days ago here in NZ,
however I actually hoped that they had kept in locked away. Was quite sobering to watch.

Would like to know what you guys think

should it have been screened
or not.

I am not sure myself, very tragic to watch, plus we already knew what has happend, does the rest of the world realy need to know and furtehrmore see it in such a graphic ways.

My thoughts to family and friends of David, hope they are doing well.

But these are only my .02

Ben Field · 4th May 2007, 08:31

Its been available on the net for ages.... I know that doesn't help but...

And yes it it pretty sobering, I can't find it now but there is a diving page somewhere with a host of sobering clips- dead divers being recovered by ROV, self shot footage of a air diver passing out at 100mtrs solo etc....

Its very graphic stuff, but its out there already.

On the other hand you can find 1000's of files of people hurting and killing themselves on Youtube.

Are the people who vote that it should not be seen reacting to the fact its a well known diver (close to home) or the fact that its a snuff film?

I don't think you can fairly say- That should not be shown but at the same time watch the TV news of our troops gunning down Iraq's (for example)

Sorry, this isn't really going anywhere other than to say perhaps it is a pointless poll?

MHD · 4th May 2007, 11:39

Nah show it, and bring out the Steve Irwin video while you are at it

Actually in all seriousness, I have watched that with Simon Micthell describing the systematic issue associated with the respiratory failure (oztek 07) and the pysholgical steps leading up to death and seeing, hearing and knowing what is going on as he died was a very powerful learning experience, it makes you question every thing we do on Rebreather's.

So for a lot of people it's voyeurism, but some will gain a lot from it and possibly save a life down the track

Matthew

***sadave*** · 4th May 2007, 11:54

The poll needs a third option.

Don't show it on public TV, but don't lock it away either.

But DO show it to target audiences, like dive conferences (oztek etc), medical seminars, etc etc etc.

As Matty said, a LOT can be learned from viewing footage like this. But also agree, its probably not something the masses need to see.

CCR900 · 4th May 2007, 11:56

Just watched (first time) sends a chill down the spine to think what happened next. David Shaw was wearing his own camera, this wasn't a spectator video or CCTV coverage of an accident. In a way David Shaw was using his camera for all eventualities. Good learing tool, very sad story.

F

***caveseeker7*** · 4th May 2007, 12:19

Has been discussed at Scubaboard ad nauseam, please let's not repeat it all.

divelermentov · 6th May 2007, 21:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave)

The poll needs a third option.

Don't show it on public TV, but don't lock it away either.

But DO show it to target audiences, like dive conferences (oztek etc), medical seminars, etc etc etc.

As Matty said, a LOT can be learned from viewing footage like this. But also agree, its probably not something the masses need to see.

I agree, wit a proper commentary to a target audiance it actually makes a lot of sense to watch.

divelermentov · 6th May 2007, 21:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Has been discussed at Scubaboard ad nauseam, please let's not repeat it all.

Sorry stefan,wasn't aware of this.

We are a bit down under over here and the video was recently streamed on national tv, that's why the thread.

Because I thought that family and friends of David had decided to not show the video footage

cheers
christian

***caveseeker7*** · 7th May 2007, 02:40

Hi Christian,

my apologies if my response seemed harsh, wasn't my intent.
video showing diver's death - should be broadcasted? is the main thread (6 pages and closed)
Three more pages about it in Raising the Dead

The first thread is more than a year old, and I would be suprised if the video and public airing hasn't been discussed at the time on Dive-Oz or other local boards.

Lots of opinions on the subject as you can imagine, lots of useless arguing.
Just rather not start it all over again.

The accident was thoroughly analyzed and results have finally been published.
Try to get your hands on a copy, reading it will be much more worthwhile than the 9 pages I linked to above.

Accident analysis and feedback

pylofm · 7th May 2007, 07:23

I personally think that it can do no harm to watch this very sad footage, if each and every one of us learns something from it to aid our own safety would that not be the greatest tribute to Dave Shaw?

Dave.

View Poll Results: should David Shaw last dive been shown in public
video should be locked away	15	26.32%
video should be shown on TV	42	73.68%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

4th May 2007, 02:44	#1 (permalink)
divelermentov Nutty dentist - uwdriller Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: Auckland Posts: 600	David Shaw last dive on national TV Just saw David Shaws last dive (footage on youtube). This was shown on national TV a coulpe of days ago here in NZ, however I actually hoped that they had kept in locked away. Was quite sobering to watch. Would like to know what you guys think should it have been screened or not. I am not sure myself, very tragic to watch, plus we already knew what has happend, does the rest of the world realy need to know and furtehrmore see it in such a graphic ways. My thoughts to family and friends of David, hope they are doing well. But these are only my .02 __________________ May The Sorb Be With You
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4th May 2007, 08:31	#2 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,485	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV Its been available on the net for ages.... I know that doesn't help but... And yes it it pretty sobering, I can't find it now but there is a diving page somewhere with a host of sobering clips- dead divers being recovered by ROV, self shot footage of a air diver passing out at 100mtrs solo etc.... Its very graphic stuff, but its out there already. On the other hand you can find 1000's of files of people hurting and killing themselves on Youtube. Are the people who vote that it should not be seen reacting to the fact its a well known diver (close to home) or the fact that its a snuff film? I don't think you can fairly say- That should not be shown but at the same time watch the TV news of our troops gunning down Iraq's (for example) Sorry, this isn't really going anywhere other than to say perhaps it is a pointless poll? __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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4th May 2007, 11:39	#3 (permalink)
MHD Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Posts: 239	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV Nah show it, and bring out the Steve Irwin video while you are at it Actually in all seriousness, I have watched that with Simon Micthell describing the systematic issue associated with the respiratory failure (oztek 07) and the pysholgical steps leading up to death and seeing, hearing and knowing what is going on as he died was a very powerful learning experience, it makes you question every thing we do on Rebreather's. So for a lot of people it's voyeurism, but some will gain a lot from it and possibly save a life down the track Matthew
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4th May 2007, 11:54	#4 (permalink)
*sadave* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 986	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV The poll needs a third option. Don't show it on public TV, but don't lock it away either. But DO show it to target audiences, like dive conferences (oztek etc), medical seminars, etc etc etc. As Matty said, a LOT can be learned from viewing footage like this. But also agree, its probably not something the masses need to see. __________________ Wave!
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4th May 2007, 11:56	#5 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV Just watched (first time) sends a chill down the spine to think what happened next. David Shaw was wearing his own camera, this wasn't a spectator video or CCTV coverage of an accident. In a way David Shaw was using his camera for all eventualities. Good learing tool, very sad story. F
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6th May 2007, 21:36	#7 (permalink)
divelermentov Nutty dentist - uwdriller Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: Auckland Posts: 600	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave) The poll needs a third option. Don't show it on public TV, but don't lock it away either. But DO show it to target audiences, like dive conferences (oztek etc), medical seminars, etc etc etc. As Matty said, a LOT can be learned from viewing footage like this. But also agree, its probably not something the masses need to see. I agree, wit a proper commentary to a target audiance it actually makes a lot of sense to watch. __________________ May The Sorb Be With You
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6th May 2007, 21:38	#8 (permalink)
divelermentov Nutty dentist - uwdriller Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: Auckland Posts: 600	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Has been discussed at Scubaboard ad nauseam, please let's not repeat it all. Sorry stefan,wasn't aware of this. We are a bit down under over here and the video was recently streamed on national tv, that's why the thread. Because I thought that family and friends of David had decided to not show the video footage cheers christian __________________ May The Sorb Be With You
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7th May 2007, 02:40	#9 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV Hi Christian, my apologies if my response seemed harsh, wasn't my intent. video showing diver's death - should be broadcasted? is the main thread (6 pages and closed) Three more pages about it in Raising the Dead The first thread is more than a year old, and I would be suprised if the video and public airing hasn't been discussed at the time on Dive-Oz or other local boards. Lots of opinions on the subject as you can imagine, lots of useless arguing. Just rather not start it all over again. The accident was thoroughly analyzed and results have finally been published. Try to get your hands on a copy, reading it will be much more worthwhile than the 9 pages I linked to above. Accident analysis and feedback __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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7th May 2007, 07:23	#10 (permalink)
pylofm New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London & Nederlands Posts: 20	Re: David Shaw last dive on national TV I personally think that it can do no harm to watch this very sad footage, if each and every one of us learns something from it to aid our own safety would that not be the greatest tribute to Dave Shaw? Dave.
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