DANGER - Valves - more legislation

Deepthought_reloaded · 5th April 2007, 03:54

British divers thought this had gone away when the HSE (Health and Safety Executive) dismissed the new proposals as having no tangible benefit in terms of safety, sadly looks like the euro loonies have decided to 'Fix' this non existant problem

see the following link and pass on to all diving friends and colleagues

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SCUBA-valves/

Sadly only british divers (and ex-pats) can sign the petition

dantheman · 5th April 2007, 20:55

That is seriously not funny.

Best of luck!!
--dan

***Decodiver*** · 5th April 2007, 21:09

Duly signed.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

stegri5 · 5th April 2007, 21:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman)

That is seriously not funny.

Best of luck!!
--dan

as i now live in france .most of the clubs and shops here are already using the new m26 and they state tahat the uk will have to follow if they like it or not.why do we need an EU . when will we wake up and take power back.

Nick uk. · 5th April 2007, 21:31

I'm Using an old fire extinguisher as a bail out cylinder.....

my local DS has never noticed or bothered to look, but it's even got stamped around the neck, CARBON DIOXIDE!!!

pete611 · 5th April 2007, 22:39

Hi...guys changes or not tec divers use din valves in the cylinders and the stores look at the lic.for the nitrox or trimix fills. and at the boat diver use the tank he fill. any incidens divers are not paing attention.i use a rebreather no problem.

narked at 90 · 5th April 2007, 23:08

signed.. what a stupid idea, i thought we had stopped this a couple of years back.
if any one is in dout about signing, this will mean you changing your first staiges or your din fittings and your tank valves let along all the fittings at fill staition.......why? because some twat in an office with no knolege of what he is doing and no concept of diving, needs to justify his job because if he couldn't come up with some idea he would be out of a job. the HSE ruled this out a coulple of years back because it would serve no purpous and not save any lifes as there hadnt been any problems.
if you look at the changes being proposed it causes more problems with safty than it could ever try and solve because you can fit the old dins in the new valves...it fits very badly and is not a safe fit in any way but some one will do it......with deadly reaslts.
john routley

MarkK · 5th April 2007, 23:11

For those of us in other countries, what exactly is being proposed? Is there a link or somewhere we can view more information? You never know when these things will pop up in our region.

Good luck with your fight!

MarkK

dantheman · 6th April 2007, 00:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by MarkK)

Is there a link or somewhere we can view more information?

Follow the link to the petition and then the "more details" link ...

**Dave1w** · 6th April 2007, 00:11

It' s basically a dedicated M26 DIN fitting for use on all Nitrox tanks. It is fairly widely available in Europe, but means you have to have (even more) dedicated regs. Also, as with 300 Bar fitting, I don't think you can use an insert and A clamp.

It is to stop people mixing up normal tanks and clean nitrox ones.

I can't imagine the Oz government will be far behind once it becomes a norm in Europe

Dave

5th April 2007, 03:54	#1 (permalink)
Deepthought_reloaded New Member Current Rebreather/s: Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: York Posts: 59	DANGER - Valves - more legislation British divers thought this had gone away when the HSE (Health and Safety Executive) dismissed the new proposals as having no tangible benefit in terms of safety, sadly looks like the euro loonies have decided to 'Fix' this non existant problem see the following link and pass on to all diving friends and colleagues http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SCUBA-valves/ Sadly only british divers (and ex-pats) can sign the petition __________________ Dolphins... On Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much; the wheel, New York, Industry and so on while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. Conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man; for precisely the same reasons. Douglas Adams - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
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5th April 2007, 20:55	#2 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 393	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation That is seriously not funny. Best of luck!! --dan
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5th April 2007, 21:09	#3 (permalink)
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5th April 2007, 21:10	#4 (permalink)
stegri5 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: france rennes Posts: 85	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation Quote: (Originally Posted by dantheman) That is seriously not funny. Best of luck!! --dan as i now live in france .most of the clubs and shops here are already using the new m26 and they state tahat the uk will have to follow if they like it or not.why do we need an EU . when will we wake up and take power back.
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5th April 2007, 21:31	#5 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation I'm Using an old fire extinguisher as a bail out cylinder..... my local DS has never noticed or bothered to look, but it's even got stamped around the neck, CARBON DIOXIDE!!! __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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5th April 2007, 22:39	#6 (permalink)
pete611 RBD one dive at a time... Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 223	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation Hi...guys changes or not tec divers use din valves in the cylinders and the stores look at the lic.for the nitrox or trimix fills. and at the boat diver use the tank he fill. any incidens divers are not paing attention.i use a rebreather no problem.
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5th April 2007, 23:08	#7 (permalink)
narked at 90 In my own little world Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: middlands uk Posts: 994	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation signed.. what a stupid idea, i thought we had stopped this a couple of years back. if any one is in dout about signing, this will mean you changing your first staiges or your din fittings and your tank valves let along all the fittings at fill staition.......why? because some twat in an office with no knolege of what he is doing and no concept of diving, needs to justify his job because if he couldn't come up with some idea he would be out of a job. the HSE ruled this out a coulple of years back because it would serve no purpous and not save any lifes as there hadnt been any problems. if you look at the changes being proposed it causes more problems with safty than it could ever try and solve because you can fit the old dins in the new valves...it fits very badly and is not a safe fit in any way but some one will do it......with deadly reaslts. john routley __________________ CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *WWW.GRPSERVICES.COM*
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5th April 2007, 23:11	#8 (permalink)
MarkK Evolution Pilot Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 24	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation For those of us in other countries, what exactly is being proposed? Is there a link or somewhere we can view more information? You never know when these things will pop up in our region. Good luck with your fight! MarkK
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6th April 2007, 00:08	#9 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 393	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation Quote: (Originally Posted by MarkK) Is there a link or somewhere we can view more information? Follow the link to the petition and then the "more details" link ...
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6th April 2007, 00:11	#10 (permalink)
Dave1w Born Again Diver! Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: China / UK Posts: 329	Re: DANGER - Valves - more legislation It' s basically a dedicated M26 DIN fitting for use on all Nitrox tanks. It is fairly widely available in Europe, but means you have to have (even more) dedicated regs. Also, as with 300 Bar fitting, I don't think you can use an insert and A clamp. It is to stop people mixing up normal tanks and clean nitrox ones. I can't imagine the Oz government will be far behind once it becomes a norm in Europe Dave
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