Draeger Nova FFM?

RonMicjan · 10th October 2006, 15:20

Im not fond of haveing the bailout reg plugged in to the side of the mask, it gets in the way. I prefer to go open loop for sanity breath and then remove the dsv and plug in the bailout reg. Another reason not to plug in the bailout reg to the side (for me anyway) is when I clear, I burb a bit of gas into the mask from my nose, which gives a slight over pressure to the mask pushing it off my face, but then I do a little jaw wiggle and my ears clear from the slight positive pressure, no need to use the "windshield wipers" this works really slick and has made ear clearing an automatic thing.

***caveseeker7*** · 10th October 2006, 20:56

Nice fit on the ISC DSV.

The larger size of the Divematics is the price you pay for modularity.
The adapter is a bit larger as it would be milled from a single piece.
Same as an external reg compared to a unibody design.
The Divematics is a BOV, the 2nd stage wasn't attached.
Easier to keep level for the pictures.

rogeringebo · 10th October 2006, 21:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by lof)

If someone can get me the drawings (or measurements) for the p-port, we can make Golem BOV that will plug into this FFM.
Is the p-port standard Draeger p-port?

Hi!
In that case,would it be possible for me to buy a p-port replacement housing for my lovely Golem BOV? So I can use the BOV and just change the necesary bit to p-port?
That would be fantastic service!

Cheers
Rodge

lof · 10th October 2006, 21:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Hi!
In that case,would it be possible for me to buy a p-port replacement housing for my lovely Golem BOV? So I can use the BOV and just change the necesary bit to p-port?
That would be fantastic service!

Cheers
Rodge

Yes,
Only, i have to figure out what is the best way to do this. As you know, the mouthpiece opening and the BOV body are machined from one piece.
We could make a new body with p-port and you would stuff the rest of your original BOV in it. That way you can always go back and it will be cheaper.
Now I just need to find a p-port somewhere.

RonMicjan · 11th October 2006, 00:37

you can order one up from oxycheq, he has blanks to put O2 cells in

rogeringebo · 11th October 2006, 04:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by lof)

Yes,
Only, i have to figure out what is the best way to do this. As you know, the mouthpiece opening and the BOV body are machined from one piece.
We could make a new body with p-port and you would stuff the rest of your original BOV in it. That way you can always go back and it will be cheaper.
Now I just need to find a p-port somewhere.

That would be a great solution for me because I know there will be times when I wont be using the FFM but still want to use my BOV....just swap the housing and that is that....

Roger

jcolley · 6th March 2007, 21:18

Dusting off this thread, I'm curious if any progress has been made with the BOV adapter from Golem...

Also, am I correct in thinking that this mask / BOV combo would not require a mouthpiece to bite on, or would that make it too flimsy or floppy? Having read what Ron said, I'm curious about this and pllumbing a 4th cell for my Shearwater directly into the mask....

You guys have gears turning...

lof · 7th March 2007, 00:42

Working on it feverishly. It will be a really slick solution, if I say so myslef

.
We should have a prototype at BTS if everything goes according to plan.

You will still need a bitepiece to keep the CO2 buildup down when on CC.

diverklondike · 7th March 2007, 01:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by lof)

Working on it feverishly. It will be a really slick solution, if I say so myslef

.
We should have a prototype at BTS if everything goes according to plan.

You will still need a bitepiece to keep the CO2 buildup down when on CC.

I will look forward to seeing it at BTS...

Mark

***jradomski*** · 7th March 2007, 02:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

yup, standard P Port, you kinda want to get the unit as close to the mask as possible, the above pic DSV sticks way out, I think you would want to get it closer to remove the dead space between the divers mouth and the mushroom valves. Here is a pic of my mask with the ISC DSV that was made for it. No BOV though which of course will add some length

Ron the divematics pic is a bit disceptive.. The gas path to the mask is quite close between the two.. Where the ISC reg has an exposed tube after it exits the p connector, tracy chose to use a collar so that its flush.. The p port connect plugs completely in.. the actual distance from the locking channel on the p port to the cross gas path within the dsv block is just over 1 inch..

also the pic of the DSV show is for smaller hoses.. The inspiration threaded version the ports extend right to the end of the block (no lip).. The total distance from the front of the p port on the mask to the main block is ~.68 inches..
With the divematics DSV you can switch between using it for a FFM to a standalone DSV in a few minutyes.. You just unscrew the FFM adapter and screw in the OC mouthpiece.

10th October 2006, 15:20	#11 (permalink)
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10th October 2006, 20:56	#12 (permalink)
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10th October 2006, 21:08	#13 (permalink)
rogeringebo Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 702	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? Quote: (Originally Posted by lof) If someone can get me the drawings (or measurements) for the p-port, we can make Golem BOV that will plug into this FFM. Is the p-port standard Draeger p-port? Hi! In that case,would it be possible for me to buy a p-port replacement housing for my lovely Golem BOV? So I can use the BOV and just change the necesary bit to p-port? That would be fantastic service! Cheers Rodge
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10th October 2006, 21:59	#14 (permalink)
lof RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 482	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Hi! In that case,would it be possible for me to buy a p-port replacement housing for my lovely Golem BOV? So I can use the BOV and just change the necesary bit to p-port? That would be fantastic service! Cheers Rodge Yes, Only, i have to figure out what is the best way to do this. As you know, the mouthpiece opening and the BOV body are machined from one piece. We could make a new body with p-port and you would stuff the rest of your original BOV in it. That way you can always go back and it will be cheaper. Now I just need to find a p-port somewhere. __________________ Jakub Golem Gear ShopKeeper www.golemgear.com
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11th October 2006, 00:37	#15 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,100	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? you can order one up from oxycheq, he has blanks to put O2 cells in __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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11th October 2006, 04:02	#16 (permalink)
rogeringebo Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 702	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? Quote: (Originally Posted by lof) Yes, Only, i have to figure out what is the best way to do this. As you know, the mouthpiece opening and the BOV body are machined from one piece. We could make a new body with p-port and you would stuff the rest of your original BOV in it. That way you can always go back and it will be cheaper. Now I just need to find a p-port somewhere. That would be a great solution for me because I know there will be times when I wont be using the FFM but still want to use my BOV....just swap the housing and that is that.... Roger
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6th March 2007, 21:18	#17 (permalink)
jcolley New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Port Orchard, WA Posts: 57	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? Dusting off this thread, I'm curious if any progress has been made with the BOV adapter from Golem... Also, am I correct in thinking that this mask / BOV combo would not require a mouthpiece to bite on, or would that make it too flimsy or floppy? Having read what Ron said, I'm curious about this and pllumbing a 4th cell for my Shearwater directly into the mask.... You guys have gears turning...
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7th March 2007, 00:42	#18 (permalink)
lof RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 482	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? Working on it feverishly. It will be a really slick solution, if I say so myslef . We should have a prototype at BTS if everything goes according to plan. You will still need a bitepiece to keep the CO2 buildup down when on CC. __________________ Jakub Golem Gear ShopKeeper www.golemgear.com
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7th March 2007, 01:52	#19 (permalink)
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7th March 2007, 02:52	#20 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,015	Re: Draeger Nova FFM? Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) yup, standard P Port, you kinda want to get the unit as close to the mask as possible, the above pic DSV sticks way out, I think you would want to get it closer to remove the dead space between the divers mouth and the mushroom valves. Here is a pic of my mask with the ISC DSV that was made for it. No BOV though which of course will add some length Ron the divematics pic is a bit disceptive.. The gas path to the mask is quite close between the two.. Where the ISC reg has an exposed tube after it exits the p connector, tracy chose to use a collar so that its flush.. The p port connect plugs completely in.. the actual distance from the locking channel on the p port to the cross gas path within the dsv block is just over 1 inch.. also the pic of the DSV show is for smaller hoses.. The inspiration threaded version the ports extend right to the end of the block (no lip).. The total distance from the front of the p port on the mask to the main block is ~.68 inches.. With the divematics DSV you can switch between using it for a FFM to a standalone DSV in a few minutyes.. You just unscrew the FFM adapter and screw in the OC mouthpiece. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 7th March 2007 at 03:06.
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