Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod

JonnyB · 4th March 2006, 06:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

So Jonny, am I to understand that the small 2nd stage pictured is the classified/restricted one and is not available with the Rebreather/Nato pod? That kind of sucks. It looks very compact... Oh well. -Andy

Yes you are right, that is the restricted one, though it is not the superflow regulator that Joe is talking about. I have talked to people that do performance testing on that restricted regulator. And they told me it will not perform good on deep dives. Though the superflow i have been using that on my Kirby Morgan helmets a long time and they are a dream to use.

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Here's a question: Does anybody have experience using a FFM and a neck strap? I wonder how the 2 devices compare comfort wise. One certainly is cheaper than the other... Thanks, -Andy

Well i wsa reccomended this option too. Basically you can use the m48 mask, donnect the DSV of your rebreather to the scubapod, purchase another scubapod and attach the offboard regulator to it and in case you bailout you can attach the offboard regulator to you mask...

kind regards
Jonny

silent running · 4th March 2006, 10:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

Yes you are right, that is the restricted one, though it is not the superflow regulator that Joe is talking about. I have talked to people that do performance testing on that restricted regulator. And they told me it will not perform good on deep dives. Though the superflow i have been using that on my Kirby Morgan helmets a long time and they are a dream to use.

Well i wsa reccomended this option too. Basically you can use the m48 mask, donnect the DSV of your rebreather to the scubapod, purchase another scubapod and attach the offboard regulator to it and in case you bailout you can attach the offboard regulator to you mask...

kind regards
Jonny

Jonny, thanks for the 2nd stage info. I wish the compact one was a better performer, but it's not on offer anyway. I assume that's why you are going with the Apex. Has anyone tried other 2nd stages?
Just to be clear about the FFM vs the neck strap, I meant one of those
rubber straps I have seen on some older rigs, which is meant just to wrap around the top of the neck and hold the DSV in the mouth if the diver becomes unconcious. I wonder how comfortable one of those is, when used with a regular scuba mask, as compared to all the straps on an FFM... Anybody tried both devices? Thanks, -Andy

paulraymaekers · 4th March 2006, 10:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Jonny, thanks for the 2nd stage info. I wish the compact one was a better performer, but it's not on offer anyway. I assume that's why you are going with the Apex. Has anyone tried other 2nd stages?
Just to be clear about the FFM vs the neck strap, I meant one of those
rubber straps I have seen on some older rigs, which is meant just to wrap around the top of the neck and hold the DSV in the mouth if the diver becomes unconcious. I wonder how comfortable one of those is, when used with a regular scuba mask, as compared to all the straps on an FFM... Anybody tried both devices? Thanks, -Andy

I used the draeger straps on a ray hose: works very good!
regards
paul

silent running · 4th March 2006, 15:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

I used the draeger straps on a ray hose: works very good!
regards
paul

Thanks for the info Paul, are there any pictures of how these straps are positioned, a profile shot somewhere? And where did you get them? -Andy

Nick uk. · 4th March 2006, 16:15

Nobody has gotten down to brass tacks so far....unless i missed something

So, how much is this experiment going to cost, all done and dusted?

JonnyB · 8th March 2006, 06:21

So i am getting back to you all with the latest information about the NATO pod with answers regarding the ATX200 regulator.

After talking to my contact last night, i realized that i had missunderstood him when i talked to him the first time and he explained these things for me.
The NATO pod would be sold without a regulator as it is restricted by the US government. NO other regulator will fit, there is a one way valve on it and the NATO pod will work as a DSV not as a OC/DSV.

I will still pursue to get the m48 for myself, but i dont want to pay the extra money for a DSV only. Also i will not go ahead with all those of you who have pm'd me as you can buy a standard m48 from any KM dealer.

/Jonny

shell-back · 8th March 2006, 23:02

Quote:

So Jonny, am I to understand that the small 2nd stage pictured is the classified/restricted one and is not available with the Rebreather/Nato pod? That kind of sucks. It looks very compact... Oh well. -Andy

the restiction (pun) intended is why they are not available. The Exhaust valves are very small by design so when you go sleepy after your po2 spike and switch, the bail-out does not free flow and the performance inherently will suffer for that reason. Military divers are not afforded the performance in place of safety.

I have 2 new masks available with OC pods. PM me if interested.

Pete · 9th March 2006, 00:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by shell-back)

the restiction (pun) intended is why they are not available. The Exhaust valves are very small by design so when you go sleepy after your po2 spike and switch, the bail-out does not free flow and the performance inherently will suffer for that reason. Military divers are not afforded the performance in place of safety.

I have 2 new masks available with OC pods. PM me if interested.

Real estate was also an issue in the choice of small exhaust valves. It gets pretty tight down in that area. The inhalation side of the breathing loop is outstanding. The exhaust side does suffer and nudges the 25 MB line when it starts getting a little deeper ,40M or so. I'd have to look at the loops again. That's where the loss is. Cousteaus guys have been using it for quite some time and feel it works well.

gbmay · 20th March 2006, 01:40

I just received my new FFM MK48 and NATO Pod. The pod fits very nice on the MK48 and it is quite comfortable to use and talk, using the Buddy Phone. The mask does require a special regulator as the inlet is somewhat round rather than oblong shape as most regulators are. The only option, short of getting KB's regulator, is to purchase another pod for your OC. It's not that big a deal as the Pod comes off rather easy and replacing the NATO Pod with an OC pod should take less than 30 seconds "with practice". All in all I am pleased with my purchase.

rogeringebo · 20th March 2006, 05:54

Where did you get it and how much did you pay?
Cheers
Rodge

4th March 2006, 06:38	#31 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 970	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) So Jonny, am I to understand that the small 2nd stage pictured is the classified/restricted one and is not available with the Rebreather/Nato pod? That kind of sucks. It looks very compact... Oh well. -Andy Yes you are right, that is the restricted one, though it is not the superflow regulator that Joe is talking about. I have talked to people that do performance testing on that restricted regulator. And they told me it will not perform good on deep dives. Though the superflow i have been using that on my Kirby Morgan helmets a long time and they are a dream to use. Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Here's a question: Does anybody have experience using a FFM and a neck strap? I wonder how the 2 devices compare comfort wise. One certainly is cheaper than the other... Thanks, -Andy Well i wsa reccomended this option too. Basically you can use the m48 mask, donnect the DSV of your rebreather to the scubapod, purchase another scubapod and attach the offboard regulator to it and in case you bailout you can attach the offboard regulator to you mask... kind regards Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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4th March 2006, 10:02	#32 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) Yes you are right, that is the restricted one, though it is not the superflow regulator that Joe is talking about. I have talked to people that do performance testing on that restricted regulator. And they told me it will not perform good on deep dives. Though the superflow i have been using that on my Kirby Morgan helmets a long time and they are a dream to use. Well i wsa reccomended this option too. Basically you can use the m48 mask, donnect the DSV of your rebreather to the scubapod, purchase another scubapod and attach the offboard regulator to it and in case you bailout you can attach the offboard regulator to you mask... kind regards Jonny Jonny, thanks for the 2nd stage info. I wish the compact one was a better performer, but it's not on offer anyway. I assume that's why you are going with the Apex. Has anyone tried other 2nd stages? Just to be clear about the FFM vs the neck strap, I meant one of those rubber straps I have seen on some older rigs, which is meant just to wrap around the top of the neck and hold the DSV in the mouth if the diver becomes unconcious. I wonder how comfortable one of those is, when used with a regular scuba mask, as compared to all the straps on an FFM... Anybody tried both devices? Thanks, -Andy
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4th March 2006, 10:04	#33 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,503	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Jonny, thanks for the 2nd stage info. I wish the compact one was a better performer, but it's not on offer anyway. I assume that's why you are going with the Apex. Has anyone tried other 2nd stages? Just to be clear about the FFM vs the neck strap, I meant one of those rubber straps I have seen on some older rigs, which is meant just to wrap around the top of the neck and hold the DSV in the mouth if the diver becomes unconcious. I wonder how comfortable one of those is, when used with a regular scuba mask, as compared to all the straps on an FFM... Anybody tried both devices? Thanks, -Andy I used the draeger straps on a ray hose: works very good! regards paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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4th March 2006, 15:58	#34 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) I used the draeger straps on a ray hose: works very good! regards paul Thanks for the info Paul, are there any pictures of how these straps are positioned, a profile shot somewhere? And where did you get them? -Andy
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4th March 2006, 16:15	#35 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Nobody has gotten down to brass tacks so far....unless i missed something So, how much is this experiment going to cost, all done and dusted? __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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8th March 2006, 06:21	#36 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 970	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod So i am getting back to you all with the latest information about the NATO pod with answers regarding the ATX200 regulator. After talking to my contact last night, i realized that i had missunderstood him when i talked to him the first time and he explained these things for me. The NATO pod would be sold without a regulator as it is restricted by the US government. NO other regulator will fit, there is a one way valve on it and the NATO pod will work as a DSV not as a OC/DSV. I will still pursue to get the m48 for myself, but i dont want to pay the extra money for a DSV only. Also i will not go ahead with all those of you who have pm'd me as you can buy a standard m48 from any KM dealer. /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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8th March 2006, 23:02	#37 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 475	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Quote: So Jonny, am I to understand that the small 2nd stage pictured is the classified/restricted one and is not available with the Rebreather/Nato pod? That kind of sucks. It looks very compact... Oh well. -Andy the restiction (pun) intended is why they are not available. The Exhaust valves are very small by design so when you go sleepy after your po2 spike and switch, the bail-out does not free flow and the performance inherently will suffer for that reason. Military divers are not afforded the performance in place of safety. I have 2 new masks available with OC pods. PM me if interested. __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. ----Daniel Boorstin Billy Beal SDITDI IT #3507 Rebreather World FIGJAM commitee member
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9th March 2006, 00:16	#38 (permalink)
Pete New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ca. U.S.A. Posts: 11	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Quote: (Originally Posted by shell-back) the restiction (pun) intended is why they are not available. The Exhaust valves are very small by design so when you go sleepy after your po2 spike and switch, the bail-out does not free flow and the performance inherently will suffer for that reason. Military divers are not afforded the performance in place of safety. I have 2 new masks available with OC pods. PM me if interested. Real estate was also an issue in the choice of small exhaust valves. It gets pretty tight down in that area. The inhalation side of the breathing loop is outstanding. The exhaust side does suffer and nudges the 25 MB line when it starts getting a little deeper ,40M or so. I'd have to look at the loops again. That's where the loss is. Cousteaus guys have been using it for quite some time and feel it works well.
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20th March 2006, 01:40	#39 (permalink)
gbmay New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Pelagian Dolphin Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Pelagian Dolphin Azimuth Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 18	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod I just received my new FFM MK48 and NATO Pod. The pod fits very nice on the MK48 and it is quite comfortable to use and talk, using the Buddy Phone. The mask does require a special regulator as the inlet is somewhat round rather than oblong shape as most regulators are. The only option, short of getting KB's regulator, is to purchase another pod for your OC. It's not that big a deal as the Pod comes off rather easy and replacing the NATO Pod with an OC pod should take less than 30 seconds "with practice". All in all I am pleased with my purchase.
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20th March 2006, 05:54	#40 (permalink)
rogeringebo Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 702	Re: Kirby Morgan m48 mask with NATO pod Where did you get it and how much did you pay? Cheers Rodge
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