M-48 Ffm

rogeringebo · 8th April 2006, 15:24

Sorry if I misslead you guys,I have the mask and scubapod,know how to get the Nato-pod WITHOUT the regulator (ask Jonny Bekkestad)...the problem is getting the reg for it...specially made,not for civilians,and no other reg fits the Nato-pod....thats the crappy part...
Think Dr Mike is working on a adaptor or something simular but that you have to ask him...

Cheers Rodge

tecdivertraining · 9th April 2006, 00:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Sorry if I misslead you guys,I have the mask and scubapod,know how to get the Nato-pod WITHOUT the regulator (ask Jonny Bekkestad)...the problem is getting the reg for it...specially made,not for civilians,and no other reg fits the Nato-pod....thats the crappy part...
Think Dr Mike is working on a adaptor or something simular but that you have to ask him...

Cheers Rodge

Hi roger

what is the price for the pod and mask I can possibly get an adapter made for a reg. Just out of interest what type of reg are you thinking of adapting to fit the pod.

rogeringebo · 9th April 2006, 05:48

I am in Sweden at the moment and I ordered it from Finland(no one sell it in Sweden),cost me 504 Euros....Im sure you can get it cheaper from somewhere else...
It would be nice to be able to fit a really small secondstage to the Nato-pod but I really like Apeks so I think I would use one of those.....
Mayby yo have seen this photo but I will post it anyway...shows the problem with fitting a reg to the Nato-pod..(sort of)

Cheers
Rodge

colinicky · 9th April 2006, 06:17

I am obviously missing something here but everytime someone posts a picture of the Nato pod it is using a DSV for a rebreather .Now if the Nato pod is for this purpose why are people trying to fit an apex reg to it surely you just use the scuba pod for that ?

rogeringebo · 9th April 2006, 07:06

Not sure what you mean... You can fit your standard DSV to the scuba-pod,(lets say you have a Meg)you just use a special longer mouthpiece...if you need to bail you just pop off the whole scuba-pod and go for you bailoutreg...on your slingtank or maybe around your neck...the problem is that the longer mouthpiece is very soft and your dsv is going to zag.... If you have a OC/DSV(lets say you have a KISS) its going to zag even more beacause of the weight...
On the Nato-pod everything is integrated in the pod..mouthpiece,knob to turn to to OC and a regulator...which means that you dont have to take your mask of in case of bailout,just turn the knob, but you can if you want to for lets say decogas-purposes...you could also get a switchblock so you never have to take your mask of.....just switch to the gasses you need....
The reg that comes with the Nato-pod is off limits to civilians(non magnetic,silent and stuff..strictly military)..so you can get the Nato pod without the reg and we are trying to work out how to fit another reg to it and which one to use.....
If you look closely the reg is sitting underneath the pod and is attached to the pod in a special way that makes it impossible to use any other standard reg

Rodge

JonnyB · 9th April 2006, 07:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)

I am obviously missing something here but everytime someone posts a picture of the Nato pod it is using a DSV for a rebreather .Now if the Nato pod is for this purpose why are people trying to fit an apex reg to it surely you just use the scuba pod for that ?

Well you can use the scuba pod for connectin a standard DSV, this is how Roger does it at the moment, the drawback is
1. You have to take the pod of in order to bailout.
2. The material of the scuba pod is soft and it has a tendency to want to roll over due to the waight of the DSV, which causes jaw fatique.

Now the picture that Roger sent above is using the NATO pod, the NATO pod is a product made by KM in order to connect a rebreather to the m48 mask, it has a much stiffer or stronger material. And at the bottom it has a regulator attached to it so you can bailout without removing the pod.

kind regards
Jonny

colinicky · 9th April 2006, 09:53

Thanks for explaining it .The way I looked at it was that you only fitted an oc/cc Dsv to the mask I didn't realise there were to holes :- 1 for ccr dsv & 1 for a seperate bailout reg ,Are both holes round or is is 1 & 1 ?
So if you fitted a Bov could you block the 2nd hole or have I got it wrong again ?

JonnyB · 9th April 2006, 11:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)

Thanks for explaining it .The way I looked at it was that you only fitted an oc/cc Dsv to the mask I didn't realise there were to holes :- 1 for ccr dsv & 1 for a seperate bailout reg ,Are both holes round or is is 1 & 1 ?
So if you fitted a Bov could you block the 2nd hole or have I got it wrong again ?

The scuba pod has one hole, it actually has its own mouthpiece and you connect your DSV or BOV to that, that moutpiece is longer than a usual mouthpiece and it is very soft, this gives the tendency for it to twist.
This is the cheapest option as you only have to purchase a m48 mask, it will come with a scuba pod default. And if you like it and you have a BOV like the one on the KISS, Bob Howell, Divematics or any other, you might be happy.

If not then you need to consider the NATO pod, the NATO pod is a pod that KM morgan made, it has integrated DSV and regulator, so the whole pod itself becomes a BOV. You will have a regulator below, you will not add another DSV to it.

/Jonny

***caveseeker7*** · 9th April 2006, 16:07

Colin, KMDSI's M-48 page shows the mask with OC pod and 2nd stage. You'll also find an exploratory view of the mask and OC pod, as well as the user guide.

The OC pod is available with or without the Superflow 2nd stage, so you can either fit your own 2nd stages, your stock DSV or a BOV. The Rebreather pod is available with either a DSV or a BOV (as shown in the picture below), just not to everyone.

The main differences are the two stabilizer bars acros the top of the bellows that allow the DSV/BOV to ratchet into position and a sidemounted (rather than bottom front) water drain. You can see how neatly the 2nd stage is tucked away, much nicer than any adapted 2nd stage will likely be.

lof · 10th April 2006, 02:35

If someone can get me the dimensions of the attachment plate for the OC reg, I am sure we can modify the Apeks housing from the Golem BOV to fit.

8th April 2006, 15:24	#51 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 691	Re: M-48 Ffm Sorry if I misslead you guys,I have the mask and scubapod,know how to get the Nato-pod WITHOUT the regulator (ask Jonny Bekkestad)...the problem is getting the reg for it...specially made,not for civilians,and no other reg fits the Nato-pod....thats the crappy part... Think Dr Mike is working on a adaptor or something simular but that you have to ask him... Cheers Rodge
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9th April 2006, 00:18	#52 (permalink)
tecdivertraining RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Ouroboros Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Phuket, Thailand Posts: 431	Re: M-48 Ffm Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Sorry if I misslead you guys,I have the mask and scubapod,know how to get the Nato-pod WITHOUT the regulator (ask Jonny Bekkestad)...the problem is getting the reg for it...specially made,not for civilians,and no other reg fits the Nato-pod....thats the crappy part... Think Dr Mike is working on a adaptor or something simular but that you have to ask him... Cheers Rodge Hi roger what is the price for the pod and mask I can possibly get an adapter made for a reg. Just out of interest what type of reg are you thinking of adapting to fit the pod. __________________ Mathew Partridge Technical Director Pro-Tech Dive College www.protechdivers.com www.tech-ccr.com
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9th April 2006, 06:17	#54 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 669	Nato pod reg I am obviously missing something here but everytime someone posts a picture of the Nato pod it is using a DSV for a rebreather .Now if the Nato pod is for this purpose why are people trying to fit an apex reg to it surely you just use the scuba pod for that ? __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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9th April 2006, 07:06	#55 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 691	Re: M-48 Ffm Not sure what you mean... You can fit your standard DSV to the scuba-pod,(lets say you have a Meg)you just use a special longer mouthpiece...if you need to bail you just pop off the whole scuba-pod and go for you bailoutreg...on your slingtank or maybe around your neck...the problem is that the longer mouthpiece is very soft and your dsv is going to zag.... If you have a OC/DSV(lets say you have a KISS) its going to zag even more beacause of the weight... On the Nato-pod everything is integrated in the pod..mouthpiece,knob to turn to to OC and a regulator...which means that you dont have to take your mask of in case of bailout,just turn the knob, but you can if you want to for lets say decogas-purposes...you could also get a switchblock so you never have to take your mask of.....just switch to the gasses you need.... The reg that comes with the Nato-pod is off limits to civilians(non magnetic,silent and stuff..strictly military)..so you can get the Nato pod without the reg and we are trying to work out how to fit another reg to it and which one to use..... If you look closely the reg is sitting underneath the pod and is attached to the pod in a special way that makes it impossible to use any other standard reg Rodge
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9th April 2006, 07:10	#56 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 961	Re: Nato pod reg Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky) I am obviously missing something here but everytime someone posts a picture of the Nato pod it is using a DSV for a rebreather .Now if the Nato pod is for this purpose why are people trying to fit an apex reg to it surely you just use the scuba pod for that ? Well you can use the scuba pod for connectin a standard DSV, this is how Roger does it at the moment, the drawback is 1. You have to take the pod of in order to bailout. 2. The material of the scuba pod is soft and it has a tendency to want to roll over due to the waight of the DSV, which causes jaw fatique. Now the picture that Roger sent above is using the NATO pod, the NATO pod is a product made by KM in order to connect a rebreather to the m48 mask, it has a much stiffer or stronger material. And at the bottom it has a regulator attached to it so you can bailout without removing the pod. kind regards Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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9th April 2006, 09:53	#57 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 669	nato pod Thanks for explaining it .The way I looked at it was that you only fitted an oc/cc Dsv to the mask I didn't realise there were to holes :- 1 for ccr dsv & 1 for a seperate bailout reg ,Are both holes round or is is 1 & 1 ? So if you fitted a Bov could you block the 2nd hole or have I got it wrong again ? __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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9th April 2006, 11:21	#58 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 961	Re: nato pod Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky) Thanks for explaining it .The way I looked at it was that you only fitted an oc/cc Dsv to the mask I didn't realise there were to holes :- 1 for ccr dsv & 1 for a seperate bailout reg ,Are both holes round or is is 1 & 1 ? So if you fitted a Bov could you block the 2nd hole or have I got it wrong again ? The scuba pod has one hole, it actually has its own mouthpiece and you connect your DSV or BOV to that, that moutpiece is longer than a usual mouthpiece and it is very soft, this gives the tendency for it to twist. This is the cheapest option as you only have to purchase a m48 mask, it will come with a scuba pod default. And if you like it and you have a BOV like the one on the KISS, Bob Howell, Divematics or any other, you might be happy. If not then you need to consider the NATO pod, the NATO pod is a pod that KM morgan made, it has integrated DSV and regulator, so the whole pod itself becomes a BOV. You will have a regulator below, you will not add another DSV to it. /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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10th April 2006, 02:35	#60 (permalink)
lof RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 479	Re: M-48 Ffm If someone can get me the dimensions of the attachment plate for the OC reg, I am sure we can modify the Apeks housing from the Golem BOV to fit. __________________ Jakub Golem Gear ShopKeeper www.golemgear.com
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