Kiss Ffm?

cys · 13th December 2005, 20:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba)

I just used the normal OC Pod. The KISS DSV is set up like a normal OC 2nd stage regulator and fits into the M48 pod with no modifications.

Here's a question I have been wanting to ask someone who has done what you have done: is there much distortion of the M48 OC pod when you put the KISS DSV on it (out of water)? I have been toying with acquistion of an M48...

silentscuba · 13th December 2005, 21:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by cys)

Here's a question I have been wanting to ask someone who has done what you have done: is there much distortion of the M48 OC pod when you put the KISS DSV on it (out of water)? I have been toying with acquistion of an M48...

What type of distortion do you mean? Everything works just fine, you can take the pod on and off out of the water and in the water. It takes some work to get use to doing that just like anything else.

gathan · 14th December 2005, 19:00

I fitted my KISS DSV to the supermask last night, using the OC pod. It was easy to put together. With the assembly on, I found the mouthpiece a little too far from my mouth. It definitely took a certain amount of effort to keep the mouthpiece in. This may ease somewhat once in the water, if not, I think jaw fatigue will be an issue.

I also found that I had to be careful when securing the mouthpiece back onto the barrel of the DSV. The barel itself is not long at all and not much of it protudes out from the pod once inserted.

If either the barrel or the mouthpiece was/were a tad longer, the tension would be much reduced. I'll give this a shot in the water anyway.

Andre

cys · 14th December 2005, 20:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan)

It definitely took a certain amount of effort to keep the mouthpiece in. This may ease somewhat once in the water, if not, I think jaw fatigue will be an issue.

This was one of my concerns from an earlier thread on this board. The other was distortion/stress on the pod given the KISS DSV projects out farther from the pod than most OC regs.

silentscuba · 14th December 2005, 22:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan)

I fitted my KISS DSV to the supermask last night, using the OC pod. It was easy to put together. With the assembly on, I found the mouthpiece a little too far from my mouth. It definitely took a certain amount of effort to keep the mouthpiece in. This may ease somewhat once in the water, if not, I think jaw fatigue will be an issue.

I also found that I had to be careful when securing the mouthpiece back onto the barrel of the DSV. The barel itself is not long at all and not much of it protudes out from the pod once inserted.

If either the barrel or the mouthpiece was/were a tad longer, the tension would be much reduced. I'll give this a shot in the water anyway.

Andre

I have the extended mouthpiece and it is just about long enough. I agree that it needs to be longer. It works ok now, I don't have the mouthpiece in my mouth much of the time, so it has been workable. An extention would be great, I will also have to give that some thought.

shell-back · 14th December 2005, 23:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by cys)

This was one of my concerns from an earlier thread on this board. The other was distortion/stress on the pod given the KISS DSV projects out farther from the pod than most OC regs.

you mean the the accordian like action in the pod? It is designed to be flexable so that you can have the option of mouthpiece being in or out of the mouth
For those people that are not 100% comfortable with no mouth piece in their mouth, there is a optional Longer mouthpiece that can be trimmed back if needed. the Part # 810-022L

gathan · 17th December 2005, 21:28

I gave the mask a shot today. I included a couple of Pics here: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gallery/cat4.html

Overall comfort was O.K. although it is not the easiest to don / remove while wearing dry gloves. Some things I noticed:

- Replacing pod with dry gloves while underwater will take some getting used to due to loss of tactile sensitivity. This would only get worse with cold hands. It is however, fairly easy to remove it.
- I like to release excess gas through the mouth when ascending. This is not really an option with this mask.
- It takes a little practice to become effective at clearing the mask/pod U/W.
- Fitting a B/O Reg after the pod has been removed is very easy. See (bad) Pic.
- Jaw fatigue was not as big of an issue as I thought it woud be. I'll go for a longer dive tomorrow and see if it becomes an issue then.

Andre

Andy_C · 23rd December 2005, 11:03

The classic kiss doesn't have a manual dil add button fitted.

Using a FFM with a kiss, what is the technique employed if you need to do a good dil flush. I imagine it is differcult to get the adv to free flow while wearing a ffm, so that trick is out of the question.

Thanks in advance

Andy

silentscuba · 23rd December 2005, 12:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy_C)

The classic kiss doesn't have a manual dil add button fitted.

Using a FFM with a kiss, what is the technique employed if you need to do a good dil flush. I imagine it is differcult to get the adv to free flow while wearing a ffm, so that trick is out of the question.

Thanks in advance

Andy

You would just put the mouth piece in your mouth and do your flush normally. Remember, the M48 has a mouthpiece in the pod and you can take it in and out of your mouth at will.

Jordi Mateo · 23rd December 2005, 13:58

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I think you can exhale by the nose like standard mask, true?

13th December 2005, 20:20	#11 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 204	Re: Kiss Ffm? Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba) I just used the normal OC Pod. The KISS DSV is set up like a normal OC 2nd stage regulator and fits into the M48 pod with no modifications. Here's a question I have been wanting to ask someone who has done what you have done: is there much distortion of the M48 OC pod when you put the KISS DSV on it (out of water)? I have been toying with acquistion of an M48...
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13th December 2005, 21:04	#12 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 587	Re: Kiss Ffm? Quote: (Originally Posted by cys) Here's a question I have been wanting to ask someone who has done what you have done: is there much distortion of the M48 OC pod when you put the KISS DSV on it (out of water)? I have been toying with acquistion of an M48... What type of distortion do you mean? Everything works just fine, you can take the pod on and off out of the water and in the water. It takes some work to get use to doing that just like anything else. __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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14th December 2005, 19:00	#13 (permalink)
gathan MixedGas Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tottenham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 194	Re: Kiss Ffm? I fitted my KISS DSV to the supermask last night, using the OC pod. It was easy to put together. With the assembly on, I found the mouthpiece a little too far from my mouth. It definitely took a certain amount of effort to keep the mouthpiece in. This may ease somewhat once in the water, if not, I think jaw fatigue will be an issue. I also found that I had to be careful when securing the mouthpiece back onto the barrel of the DSV. The barel itself is not long at all and not much of it protudes out from the pod once inserted. If either the barrel or the mouthpiece was/were a tad longer, the tension would be much reduced. I'll give this a shot in the water anyway. Andre
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14th December 2005, 20:13	#14 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 204	Re: Kiss Ffm? Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan) It definitely took a certain amount of effort to keep the mouthpiece in. This may ease somewhat once in the water, if not, I think jaw fatigue will be an issue. This was one of my concerns from an earlier thread on this board. The other was distortion/stress on the pod given the KISS DSV projects out farther from the pod than most OC regs.
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14th December 2005, 22:25	#15 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 587	Re: Kiss Ffm? Quote: (Originally Posted by gathan) I fitted my KISS DSV to the supermask last night, using the OC pod. It was easy to put together. With the assembly on, I found the mouthpiece a little too far from my mouth. It definitely took a certain amount of effort to keep the mouthpiece in. This may ease somewhat once in the water, if not, I think jaw fatigue will be an issue. I also found that I had to be careful when securing the mouthpiece back onto the barrel of the DSV. The barel itself is not long at all and not much of it protudes out from the pod once inserted. If either the barrel or the mouthpiece was/were a tad longer, the tension would be much reduced. I'll give this a shot in the water anyway. Andre I have the extended mouthpiece and it is just about long enough. I agree that it needs to be longer. It works ok now, I don't have the mouthpiece in my mouth much of the time, so it has been workable. An extention would be great, I will also have to give that some thought. __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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14th December 2005, 23:41	#16 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 475	Re: Kiss Ffm? Quote: (Originally Posted by cys) This was one of my concerns from an earlier thread on this board. The other was distortion/stress on the pod given the KISS DSV projects out farther from the pod than most OC regs. you mean the the accordian like action in the pod? It is designed to be flexable so that you can have the option of mouthpiece being in or out of the mouth For those people that are not 100% comfortable with no mouth piece in their mouth, there is a optional Longer mouthpiece that can be trimmed back if needed. the Part # 810-022L
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17th December 2005, 21:28	#17 (permalink)
gathan MixedGas Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tottenham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 194	Re: Kiss Ffm? I gave the mask a shot today. I included a couple of Pics here: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gallery/cat4.html Overall comfort was O.K. although it is not the easiest to don / remove while wearing dry gloves. Some things I noticed: - Replacing pod with dry gloves while underwater will take some getting used to due to loss of tactile sensitivity. This would only get worse with cold hands. It is however, fairly easy to remove it. - I like to release excess gas through the mouth when ascending. This is not really an option with this mask. - It takes a little practice to become effective at clearing the mask/pod U/W. - Fitting a B/O Reg after the pod has been removed is very easy. See (bad) Pic. - Jaw fatigue was not as big of an issue as I thought it woud be. I'll go for a longer dive tomorrow and see if it becomes an issue then. Andre Last edited by gathan : 17th December 2005 at 21:32. Reason: Add Info
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23rd December 2005, 11:03	#18 (permalink)
Andy_C New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Stourbridge/West Mids/UK Posts: 34	Re: Kiss Ffm - Fushing the loop ? The classic kiss doesn't have a manual dil add button fitted. Using a FFM with a kiss, what is the technique employed if you need to do a good dil flush. I imagine it is differcult to get the adv to free flow while wearing a ffm, so that trick is out of the question. Thanks in advance Andy
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23rd December 2005, 12:30	#19 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 587	Re: Kiss Ffm - Fushing the loop ? Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy_C) The classic kiss doesn't have a manual dil add button fitted. Using a FFM with a kiss, what is the technique employed if you need to do a good dil flush. I imagine it is differcult to get the adv to free flow while wearing a ffm, so that trick is out of the question. Thanks in advance Andy You would just put the mouth piece in your mouth and do your flush normally. Remember, the M48 has a mouthpiece in the pod and you can take it in and out of your mouth at will. __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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23rd December 2005, 13:58	#20 (permalink)
Jordi Mateo New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss Ouroboros Other CCR RB80 / Clone Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: (Barcelona) Spain Posts: 35	Re: Kiss Ffm? >> I think you can exhale by the nose like standard mask, true? __________________ Best Regards Jordi Mateo http://www.hmdiver.com/ ANDI-TDI Mixed-Gas CCR Instructor Meg, Inspi/Evo, Ouroboros, Optima, COPIS, Kiss, Submatix paSCR Workshops DIRrebreather Fundamentals Instructor SCR Instructor Atlantis I/Dolphin, Ray, Azimuth, UBS40, Submatix Last edited by Jordi Mateo : 23rd December 2005 at 14:00.
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