more on JMC Supermask?

hirudin · 5th December 2005, 19:42

Hi All,

newbie alert:

I'm looking at FFM's for use with Rebreather, and have gone through the archives... and it's being discussed on the forums currently re. the supermask. I like the features of the supermask, but would like to know more on the issue of the RB pod being no longer available as a separate topic:

What modifications are necessary for adapting Rebreather to the OC pod or adapting the supermask to accept different RB model DSV's?

What features are negated by the loss of the Rebreather pod if you can adapt the OC pod to accept your DSV? Is the safety aspect comprimized?

Meg divers, do you have any feedback on FFM's used on/available for Megs?

For note, my meg comes at the end of the month, so I would be adapting it for use on that

Thanks in advance for your patience with my questions and any info,

-Jesse-

TechBlue · 5th December 2005, 21:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by hirudin)

Hi All,

newbie alert:

I'm looking at FFM's for use with Rebreather, and have gone through the archives... and it's being discussed on the forums currently re. the supermask. I like the features of the supermask, but would like to know more on the issue of the RB pod being no longer available as a separate topic:

What modifications are necessary for adapting Rebreather to the OC pod or adapting the supermask to accept different RB model DSV's?

What features are negated by the loss of the Rebreather pod if you can adapt the OC pod to accept your DSV? Is the safety aspect comprimized?

Meg divers, do you have any feedback on FFM's used on/available for Megs?

For note, my meg comes at the end of the month, so I would be adapting it for use on that

Thanks in advance for your patience with my questions and any info,

-Jesse-

Jesse,

The breather POD is not currently available for civilian use, I heard they were goin to release them but as of right now they are not available. You can buy the mask through Oceanic with an OC POD, there are some differences in the performance and you don't get the "ratchet" setting to keep the POD close to your mouth to make it easier to keep the bit in your mouth. You can mount third party OC/CC DSV's or a standard DSV such as the MEG. During Navy testing both the Breather POD and the OC POD were used and a lot of the divers preferred diving with the OC version. Personally I prefer the breather POD.

shell-back · 5th December 2005, 23:01

I have one for sale , how much you got ? Pm me

***caveseeker7*** · 6th December 2005, 07:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by hirudin)

... do you have any feedback on FFM's used on/available for Megs?

The Divematics BOV can be used with the Meg, and can be adapted to the AGA like Gabriele's setup in the article.

If you want to go with the battle tank image of the Meg, Divematics' Widolf FFM will fit the bill. Shown below is Rob Davie's with an Apeks 2nd stage (for his Inspiration).

Another alternative is the Dräger Nova FFM. It comes with P-ports for Dräger DSVs, 2ndary and comms. Shown here Greg Stanton's mask with Dräger DSV mounted to Meg hoses.

decoweenie · 6th December 2005, 07:35

I understand the safety aspect of a FFM, but those look like wearing a tank on your face - especially in warm water diving.

I wonder if someone could get used to them after a while. DrMike ?

Drmike · 6th December 2005, 07:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I understand the safety aspect of a FFM, but those look like wearing a tank on your face - especially in warm water diving.

I wonder if someone could get used to them after a while. DrMike ?

I can only speak for mine - I find it more comfortable to dive than normal mask and mouthpiece. The mask vol on mine is no different to a normal scuba mask.

decoweenie · 6th December 2005, 08:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I can only speak for mine - I find it more comfortable to dive than normal mask and mouthpiece. The mask vol on mine is no different to a normal scuba mask.

Thanks. I will have to try it someday.

The only FFM I ever tried was the Scubapro along time ago, and it was on OC as well.

But the idea of having full communication with a regular CC dive buddy is very appealing...

pchanning · 6th December 2005, 12:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I understand the safety aspect of a FFM, but those look like wearing a tank on your face - especially in warm water diving.

Most FFM's do seem to create more bulk lower down, which would suggest a reduction in movement (looking down). From what I can gather the OC/CC POD's further heightens this. Combine that with OTS lungs...

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I wonder if someone could get used to them after a while.

An alternative is to strap the DV to your head.

I have tried two options so far, one with a regulator bungee (yellow - as can be seen on my avatar) and the other by using some 25mm webbing and a fastex clip. I'm working on a third design at the mo, but I have dived the bungee method quite happily for about 8/9 months. I will post an article with some detail pictures soon (along with some other ideas).

The benefits as I see it are the safety aspect - ie toxing/ dropping mouthpiece and not drowning, but moreover, it makes it very comfortable as there are no resistance when turning head from side-to-side. This is particularly useful when using a BOV mouthpiece and on long dives = no jaw fatigue..!!

This also means that one can have the breathing hoses a little tighter (neater), rather than the big floppy standard inspo ones (I've since shortened them from those in the avatar btw).

Of course you can use the mask of your choice too..!!

Oh yeah, and it'll cost you about about £4

I have found that I can completely relax my mouth and, not even biting the mouthpiece whilst wiggling my head side-to-side and not get any water ingression at all. Works for me.

HTH

Paul

**RichClark** · 6th December 2005, 12:58

Is there any where/one where you could try out a FFM. It's a lot pf £££ to pay out, only to find that you've got the wrong shaped face!

Cheers

Rich

pchanning · 6th December 2005, 16:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark)

Is there any where/one where you could try out a FFM. It's a lot pf £££ to pay out, only to find that you've got the wrong shaped face!

Cheers

Rich

Good question. They didn't seem overly keen for me to slobber inside them at the Dive Show either.

5th December 2005, 19:42	#1 (permalink)
hirudin New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: rock-hopper Posts: 52	more on JMC Supermask? Hi All, newbie alert: I'm looking at FFM's for use with Rebreather, and have gone through the archives... and it's being discussed on the forums currently re. the supermask. I like the features of the supermask, but would like to know more on the issue of the RB pod being no longer available as a separate topic: What modifications are necessary for adapting Rebreather to the OC pod or adapting the supermask to accept different RB model DSV's? What features are negated by the loss of the Rebreather pod if you can adapt the OC pod to accept your DSV? Is the safety aspect comprimized? Meg divers, do you have any feedback on FFM's used on/available for Megs? For note, my meg comes at the end of the month, so I would be adapting it for use on that Thanks in advance for your patience with my questions and any info, -Jesse- Last edited by hirudin : 5th December 2005 at 19:48. Reason: better wording :)
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5th December 2005, 21:51	#2 (permalink)
TechBlue RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Optima Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Costa del Sol, Spain Posts: 212	Re: more on JMC Supermask? Quote: (Originally Posted by hirudin) Hi All, newbie alert: I'm looking at FFM's for use with Rebreather, and have gone through the archives... and it's being discussed on the forums currently re. the supermask. I like the features of the supermask, but would like to know more on the issue of the RB pod being no longer available as a separate topic: What modifications are necessary for adapting Rebreather to the OC pod or adapting the supermask to accept different RB model DSV's? What features are negated by the loss of the Rebreather pod if you can adapt the OC pod to accept your DSV? Is the safety aspect comprimized? Meg divers, do you have any feedback on FFM's used on/available for Megs? For note, my meg comes at the end of the month, so I would be adapting it for use on that Thanks in advance for your patience with my questions and any info, -Jesse- Jesse, The breather POD is not currently available for civilian use, I heard they were goin to release them but as of right now they are not available. You can buy the mask through Oceanic with an OC POD, there are some differences in the performance and you don't get the "ratchet" setting to keep the POD close to your mouth to make it easier to keep the bit in your mouth. You can mount third party OC/CC DSV's or a standard DSV such as the MEG. During Navy testing both the Breather POD and the OC POD were used and a lot of the divers preferred diving with the OC version. Personally I prefer the breather POD. __________________ Cheers, Chris www.tech-blue.com The site dedicated to Rebreather and Technical diving "We only sell what we dive"
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5th December 2005, 23:01	#3 (permalink)
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6th December 2005, 07:02	#4 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,451	Re: more on JMC Supermask? Quote: (Originally Posted by hirudin) ... do you have any feedback on FFM's used on/available for Megs? The Divematics BOV can be used with the Meg, and can be adapted to the AGA like Gabriele's setup in the article. If you want to go with the battle tank image of the Meg, Divematics' Widolf FFM will fit the bill. Shown below is Rob Davie's with an Apeks 2nd stage (for his Inspiration). Another alternative is the Dräger Nova FFM. It comes with P-ports for Dräger DSVs, 2ndary and comms. Shown here Greg Stanton's mask with Dräger DSV mounted to Meg hoses. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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6th December 2005, 07:35	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: more on JMC Supermask? I understand the safety aspect of a FFM, but those look like wearing a tank on your face - especially in warm water diving. I wonder if someone could get used to them after a while. DrMike ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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6th December 2005, 07:47	#6 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,323	Re: more on JMC Supermask? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I understand the safety aspect of a FFM, but those look like wearing a tank on your face - especially in warm water diving. I wonder if someone could get used to them after a while. DrMike ? I can only speak for mine - I find it more comfortable to dive than normal mask and mouthpiece. The mask vol on mine is no different to a normal scuba mask. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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6th December 2005, 08:19	#7 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: more on JMC Supermask? Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) I can only speak for mine - I find it more comfortable to dive than normal mask and mouthpiece. The mask vol on mine is no different to a normal scuba mask. Thanks. I will have to try it someday. The only FFM I ever tried was the Scubapro along time ago, and it was on OC as well. But the idea of having full communication with a regular CC dive buddy is very appealing... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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6th December 2005, 12:46	#8 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	an alternative... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I understand the safety aspect of a FFM, but those look like wearing a tank on your face - especially in warm water diving. Most FFM's do seem to create more bulk lower down, which would suggest a reduction in movement (looking down). From what I can gather the OC/CC POD's further heightens this. Combine that with OTS lungs... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I wonder if someone could get used to them after a while. An alternative is to strap the DV to your head. I have tried two options so far, one with a regulator bungee (yellow - as can be seen on my avatar) and the other by using some 25mm webbing and a fastex clip. I'm working on a third design at the mo, but I have dived the bungee method quite happily for about 8/9 months. I will post an article with some detail pictures soon (along with some other ideas). The benefits as I see it are the safety aspect - ie toxing/ dropping mouthpiece and not drowning, but moreover, it makes it very comfortable as there are no resistance when turning head from side-to-side. This is particularly useful when using a BOV mouthpiece and on long dives = no jaw fatigue..!! This also means that one can have the breathing hoses a little tighter (neater), rather than the big floppy standard inspo ones (I've since shortened them from those in the avatar btw). Of course you can use the mask of your choice too..!! Oh yeah, and it'll cost you about about £4 I have found that I can completely relax my mouth and, not even biting the mouthpiece whilst wiggling my head side-to-side and not get any water ingression at all. Works for me. HTH Paul __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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6th December 2005, 16:54	#10 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Re: more on JMC Supermask? Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark) Is there any where/one where you could try out a FFM. It's a lot pf £££ to pay out, only to find that you've got the wrong shaped face! Cheers Rich Good question. They didn't seem overly keen for me to slobber inside them at the Dive Show either. __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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