DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager

mempilot · 4th May 2008, 03:41

Mike, Jakub, or anyone with experience with these:

I ordered a few of the 'DrMike' OC 2nd stage adapters from Golem for my Apeks ATX50 2nds. One will be permanately mounted on the mask for nasal sanity breaths, and the other will be on my deep bailout bottle. I'll order more in the future.

The question is this:

The Apeks has a lip where the mouthpiece attaches. The p-port adapter is Delrin or the like and won't accept this lip. I didn't get any instructions; so, does the lip get filed off or did I get the wrong pieces? How is the fit? I'm assuming you need some kind of silicone to ensure water tightness since there is no o-ring??

Any help is much obliged.

Thanks,

Eric

Drmike · 4th May 2008, 04:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

Mike, Jakub, or anyone with experience with these:

I ordered a few of the 'DrMike' OC 2nd stage adapters from Golem for Apeks my ATX50 2nds. One will be permanately mounted on the mask for nasal sanity breaths, and the other will be on my deep bailout bottle. I'll order more in the future.

The question is this:

The Apeks has a lip where the mouthpiece attaches. The p-port adapter is Delrin or the like and won't accept this lip. I didn't get any instructions; so, does the lip get filed off or did I get the wrong pieces? How is the fit? I'm assuming you need some kind of silicone to ensure water tightness since there is no o-ring??

Any help is much obliged.

Thanks,

Eric

Normally the lip is left and the correct adapter slides tightly over it. Did you get the apex adapter or the smaller scubapro? (I supply both to Jakub) . Personaly I use silicon sealant to seal it but some recently have had sucess with an o-ring

mempilot · 4th May 2008, 04:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Normally the lip is left and the correct adapter slides over it. Did you get the apex adapter or the scubapro (I supply both to Jakub) . Personaly I use silicon sealant to seal it but some recently have had sucess with an o-ring

He must of sent me the wrong ones.

I'll have to park it and send them back for replacements on Monday. Nice piece of machining though.

Drmike · 4th May 2008, 04:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

He must of sent me the wrong ones.

I'll have to park it and send them back for replacements on Monday. Nice piece of machining though.

just check the dimensions - IIRC Apex is 39mm x 19mm (but I may be talking bol1ocks)

Lancer4545 · 4th May 2008, 08:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

He must of sent me the wrong ones.

I'll have to park it and send them back for replacements on Monday. Nice piece of machining though.

Hi Eric,

I tried to fit an adapter to my XTX50 when I was in Thailand in January and it wouldn't fit either. They appear to fit the older style Apeks second stages alright. I had Matt take a look at it and I ended up getting a reg fitted with an adapter of him whilst I was there.

I am not sure about filing the lip off........

Regards,

Lance

Chris · 4th May 2008, 11:18

Dremel
Is there anything it can't do

Drmike · 4th May 2008, 11:44

If your going to use a dremel Id recommend dremeling out the adapter to fit rather than taking away the lip. The apeks adapters I sent Jakub were made to fit TX50s style - dont know about other Apeks regs. If they are a different size they can be supplied too. Ive made them for all sorts of regs incl posiedon and scubapro, Boris and Meg DSVs too

mempilot · 4th May 2008, 13:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

If your going to use a dremel Id recommend dremeling out the adapter to fit rather than taking away the lip. The apeks adapters I sent Jakub were made to fit TX50s style - dont know about other Apeks regs. If they are a different size they can be supplied too. Ive made them for all sorts of regs incl posiedon and scubapro, Boris and Meg DSVs too

Mike,

It looks like the shape, length, and height are correct once the lip is removed. I'll varify this more precisely when I get back from diving tonight. If this is the case, removing the very small lip should allow it to slide in with no problems. I'd hate to start gouging out the adapter, since doing that without a proper machine would be disasterous. IMHO, even with the lip removed from the regulator, a mouth piece would still work just fine if it needed to be swapped back for regular usage.

Eric

lof · 5th May 2008, 00:02

Eric,

Sorry to hear that. I think we sent you the correct adapter. The Scubapro model is much smaller.

I have tested it on all my Apex reggs (about 8) and it fit all them.
Let me know if I can help.

Jakub

mempilot · 5th May 2008, 18:56

Problem solved. As expected, the dimensions of the Apeks ATX mouthpiece with with lip removed matches the Drmike OC 2nd-stage p-port adapter.

I Dremel'd the lip off, etched the surface of the regulator mouthpiece port and the inside of the p-port adapter with sandpaper, cleaned it all with Acetone, and applied a liberal amount of clear marine grade silicone to both parts, and pushed them together.

While Mike's machining is precise, the Apeks machining is not. This is why I put a lot of silicone on both parts and cleaned off the excess once the parts where mated. This ensures there are no air pockets between the two parts that can contract and expand. I played around with putting a 1.25 inch o-ring between the two pieces where they seat together when mated, but without positive pressure pushing the two together, I think it is a waste of time.

I will positive and negative pressure check the newly mated pieces once the silicone is fully cured.

4th May 2008, 03:41	#1 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,184	DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Mike, Jakub, or anyone with experience with these: I ordered a few of the 'DrMike' OC 2nd stage adapters from Golem for my Apeks ATX50 2nds. One will be permanately mounted on the mask for nasal sanity breaths, and the other will be on my deep bailout bottle. I'll order more in the future. The question is this: The Apeks has a lip where the mouthpiece attaches. The p-port adapter is Delrin or the like and won't accept this lip. I didn't get any instructions; so, does the lip get filed off or did I get the wrong pieces? How is the fit? I'm assuming you need some kind of silicone to ensure water tightness since there is no o-ring?? Any help is much obliged. Thanks, Eric __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes." Last edited by mempilot : 4th May 2008 at 04:31.
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4th May 2008, 04:26	#2 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) Mike, Jakub, or anyone with experience with these: I ordered a few of the 'DrMike' OC 2nd stage adapters from Golem for Apeks my ATX50 2nds. One will be permanately mounted on the mask for nasal sanity breaths, and the other will be on my deep bailout bottle. I'll order more in the future. The question is this: The Apeks has a lip where the mouthpiece attaches. The p-port adapter is Delrin or the like and won't accept this lip. I didn't get any instructions; so, does the lip get filed off or did I get the wrong pieces? How is the fit? I'm assuming you need some kind of silicone to ensure water tightness since there is no o-ring?? Any help is much obliged. Thanks, Eric Normally the lip is left and the correct adapter slides tightly over it. Did you get the apex adapter or the smaller scubapro? (I supply both to Jakub) . Personaly I use silicon sealant to seal it but some recently have had sucess with an o-ring __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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4th May 2008, 04:29	#3 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,184	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Normally the lip is left and the correct adapter slides over it. Did you get the apex adapter or the scubapro (I supply both to Jakub) . Personaly I use silicon sealant to seal it but some recently have had sucess with an o-ring He must of sent me the wrong ones. I'll have to park it and send them back for replacements on Monday. Nice piece of machining though. __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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4th May 2008, 04:37	#4 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) He must of sent me the wrong ones. I'll have to park it and send them back for replacements on Monday. Nice piece of machining though. just check the dimensions - IIRC Apex is 39mm x 19mm (but I may be talking bol1ocks) __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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4th May 2008, 08:55	#5 (permalink)
Lancer4545 Closed Circuit Divers Aus Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cairns QLD Australia Posts: 574	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) He must of sent me the wrong ones. I'll have to park it and send them back for replacements on Monday. Nice piece of machining though. Hi Eric, I tried to fit an adapter to my XTX50 when I was in Thailand in January and it wouldn't fit either. They appear to fit the older style Apeks second stages alright. I had Matt take a look at it and I ended up getting a reg fitted with an adapter of him whilst I was there. I am not sure about filing the lip off........ Regards, Lance __________________ You can run but you can't hide! ISC Appointed Megalodon Dealer for East Australia http://www.closedcircuitdivers.com.au info@closedcircuitdivers.com.au Last edited by Lancer4545 : 4th May 2008 at 09:05.
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4th May 2008, 11:44	#7 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager If your going to use a dremel Id recommend dremeling out the adapter to fit rather than taking away the lip. The apeks adapters I sent Jakub were made to fit TX50s style - dont know about other Apeks regs. If they are a different size they can be supplied too. Ive made them for all sorts of regs incl posiedon and scubapro, Boris and Meg DSVs too __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you Last edited by Drmike : 4th May 2008 at 11:47.
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mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,184	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) If your going to use a dremel Id recommend dremeling out the adapter to fit rather than taking away the lip. The apeks adapters I sent Jakub were made to fit TX50s style - dont know about other Apeks regs. If they are a different size they can be supplied too. Ive made them for all sorts of regs incl posiedon and scubapro, Boris and Meg DSVs too Mike, It looks like the shape, length, and height are correct once the lip is removed. I'll varify this more precisely when I get back from diving tonight. If this is the case, removing the very small lip should allow it to slide in with no problems. I'd hate to start gouging out the adapter, since doing that without a proper machine would be disasterous. IMHO, even with the lip removed from the regulator, a mouth piece would still work just fine if it needed to be swapped back for regular usage. Eric __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,184	Re: DrMike OC 2nd p-port adapters for Drager Problem solved. As expected, the dimensions of the Apeks ATX mouthpiece with with lip removed matches the Drmike OC 2nd-stage p-port adapter. I Dremel'd the lip off, etched the surface of the regulator mouthpiece port and the inside of the p-port adapter with sandpaper, cleaned it all with Acetone, and applied a liberal amount of clear marine grade silicone to both parts, and pushed them together. While Mike's machining is precise, the Apeks machining is not. This is why I put a lot of silicone on both parts and cleaned off the excess once the parts where mated. This ensures there are no air pockets between the two parts that can contract and expand. I played around with putting a 1.25 inch o-ring between the two pieces where they seat together when mated, but without positive pressure pushing the two together, I think it is a waste of time. I will positive and negative pressure check the newly mated pieces once the silicone is fully cured. __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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