Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask

TecTim · 30th November 2007, 23:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

The reason I dont use a BOV on my Nova and prefer a side OC reg is that:-

1) For bailout/sanity breath I dont have to do anything more than breathe thru my nose to get instant OC gas
2) I dont have to stop breathing whilst bailing off the loop and locating my OC bail gas 2nd stages and plugging them in and turning on the gas. The ability to always breathe is a major stress reducer when bailing, or is just more pleasant when doing things like clearing hose gurgles.
3) When running semiclosed dont have to manually inject gas just have to take a breath thru the nose
4) WOB from the side mounted APEKS is FAR supperior to the BOV 2nd stages Ive used/own
5) when adding dil to loop just have to take a breath thru the nose

Anyone who tells you the side reg gets in the way or is even noticeable underwater hasnt used one.

2

I have decided to go the route of Draeger FFM rather than BOV. But I am unclear about a couple of things:-
1.) Do you have 2 second stages coming off your bottom mix bailout, one in the side P-port and the other which will replace the DSV?
2.)If I am correct in 1.) is a 3rd reg the only alternative for your buddy in OOA situation? The likelihood being that he won't have the same set-up.
3.)Do you have your shallow mix p ported also - is this the simplest solution or are switchblocks or quick connects a better (i.e. KISS) solution?
4.) For someone who does not have first hand experience of a CO2 hit(and so can't nip it in the bud) how difficult will it be to breathe through your nose with the increased rate of breathing while you make the switch?

Look forward to hearing your thoughts

**kybrt** · 1st December 2007, 01:21

Hey Dr Mike,

with that ffm you equalize/ pinch you nose with those two levers on the front right? the windshield wiper looking things?

how hard is that with gloves? how thick of a glove have you used?

thanks dude

***jradomski*** · 1st December 2007, 01:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by kybrt)

Hey Dr Mike,

with that ffm you equalize/ pinch you nose with those two levers on the front right? the windshield wiper looking things?

how hard is that with gloves? how thick of a glove have you used?

thanks dude

hey al,

if you are interested, we can get together and I can let you try my mask..

Richard Harris · 18th December 2007, 05:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

The reason I dont use a BOV on my Nova and prefer a side OC reg is that:-

1) For bailout/sanity breath I dont have to do anything more than breathe thru my nose to get instant OC gas
2) I dont have to stop breathing whilst bailing off the loop and locating my OC bail gas 2nd stages and plugging them in and turning on the gas. The ability to always breathe is a major stress reducer when bailing, or is just more pleasant when doing things like clearing hose gurgles.
3) When running semiclosed dont have to manually inject gas just have to take a breath thru the nose
4) WOB from the side mounted APEKS is FAR supperior to the BOV 2nd stages Ive used/own
5) when adding dil to loop just have to take a breath thru the nose

Anyone who tells you the side reg gets in the way or is even noticeable underwater hasnt used one.

Hey Mike. I have just ordered my FFM and a Golem BOV as well. Whilst I coped with the M48 I couldn't equalise with dry gloves so no good to me. Obviously you have got the mask working well for you with the side reg and i can certainly see some advantages in doing it like that. But I worry about CO2 build up in the mask if you go to bailout. The company advises against your approach for this reason. Presumably all has been well while breathing off the reg for a short period...but have you tried it for a more prolonged period say 15mins? Any problems or a sense that CO2 was building up?

Also you dont want to be nose breathing when you have a CO2 hit (assuming that's the reason you have bailed).

Cheers
Harry

Drmike · 18th December 2007, 18:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Richard Harris)

Hey Mike. I have just ordered my FFM and a Golem BOV as well. Whilst I coped with the M48 I couldn't equalise with dry gloves so no good to me. Obviously you have got the mask working well for you with the side reg and i can certainly see some advantages in doing it like that. But I worry about CO2 build up in the mask if you go to bailout. The company advises against your approach for this reason. Presumably all has been well while breathing off the reg for a short period...but have you tried it for a more prolonged period say 15mins? Any problems or a sense that CO2 was building up?

Also you dont want to be nose breathing when you have a CO2 hit (assuming that's the reason you have bailed).

Cheers
Harry

hi harry, as mentioned in another thread someplace (on diveoz forum also iirc), id use side reg nose breathing only as intermediate stage before (if needed) swapping Rebreather dsv for oc reg in main p port, for exactly the reasons you state. i should have made it clearer in my posts as a couple of people have mentioned the same potential issue.

in other words i dont use side reg for oc bail - i use it to make oc bail a less stressful experience by nose breathing while swapping out dsv for oc reg, and use it to get quick sanity breath (to see in part if oc bail is needed)

cheers
m

Pipnaintez · 19th December 2007, 03:20

I am new to rebreathers and do not have one. Forgive me if the answer to my question is simple. But if you are using a BOV with the FFM doesnt that eliminate the need for removing the DSV from the P port? Or is this for switching to a staged bottle during deco?

30th November 2007, 23:16	#21 (permalink)
TecTim New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Waterford Ireland Posts: 10	Re: Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) The reason I dont use a BOV on my Nova and prefer a side OC reg is that:- 1) For bailout/sanity breath I dont have to do anything more than breathe thru my nose to get instant OC gas 2) I dont have to stop breathing whilst bailing off the loop and locating my OC bail gas 2nd stages and plugging them in and turning on the gas. The ability to always breathe is a major stress reducer when bailing, or is just more pleasant when doing things like clearing hose gurgles. 3) When running semiclosed dont have to manually inject gas just have to take a breath thru the nose 4) WOB from the side mounted APEKS is FAR supperior to the BOV 2nd stages Ive used/own 5) when adding dil to loop just have to take a breath thru the nose Anyone who tells you the side reg gets in the way or is even noticeable underwater hasnt used one. 2 I have decided to go the route of Draeger FFM rather than BOV. But I am unclear about a couple of things:- 1.) Do you have 2 second stages coming off your bottom mix bailout, one in the side P-port and the other which will replace the DSV? 2.)If I am correct in 1.) is a 3rd reg the only alternative for your buddy in OOA situation? The likelihood being that he won't have the same set-up. 3.)Do you have your shallow mix p ported also - is this the simplest solution or are switchblocks or quick connects a better (i.e. KISS) solution? 4.) For someone who does not have first hand experience of a CO2 hit(and so can't nip it in the bud) how difficult will it be to breathe through your nose with the increased rate of breathing while you make the switch? Look forward to hearing your thoughts
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1st December 2007, 01:21	#22 (permalink)
kybrt too legit to quit Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Neuw Yawk Posts: 312	Re: Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask Hey Dr Mike, with that ffm you equalize/ pinch you nose with those two levers on the front right? the windshield wiper looking things? how hard is that with gloves? how thick of a glove have you used? thanks dude __________________ Marv Fidelis Ad Mortem www.diveboatkaren.com
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1st December 2007, 01:25	#23 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,871	Re: Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask Quote: (Originally Posted by kybrt) Hey Dr Mike, with that ffm you equalize/ pinch you nose with those two levers on the front right? the windshield wiper looking things? how hard is that with gloves? how thick of a glove have you used? thanks dude hey al, if you are interested, we can get together and I can let you try my mask.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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18th December 2007, 05:11	#24 (permalink)
Richard Harris Dr Harry Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 118	Re: Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) The reason I dont use a BOV on my Nova and prefer a side OC reg is that:- 1) For bailout/sanity breath I dont have to do anything more than breathe thru my nose to get instant OC gas 2) I dont have to stop breathing whilst bailing off the loop and locating my OC bail gas 2nd stages and plugging them in and turning on the gas. The ability to always breathe is a major stress reducer when bailing, or is just more pleasant when doing things like clearing hose gurgles. 3) When running semiclosed dont have to manually inject gas just have to take a breath thru the nose 4) WOB from the side mounted APEKS is FAR supperior to the BOV 2nd stages Ive used/own 5) when adding dil to loop just have to take a breath thru the nose Anyone who tells you the side reg gets in the way or is even noticeable underwater hasnt used one. Hey Mike. I have just ordered my FFM and a Golem BOV as well. Whilst I coped with the M48 I couldn't equalise with dry gloves so no good to me. Obviously you have got the mask working well for you with the side reg and i can certainly see some advantages in doing it like that. But I worry about CO2 build up in the mask if you go to bailout. The company advises against your approach for this reason. Presumably all has been well while breathing off the reg for a short period...but have you tried it for a more prolonged period say 15mins? Any problems or a sense that CO2 was building up? Also you dont want to be nose breathing when you have a CO2 hit (assuming that's the reason you have bailed). Cheers Harry __________________ "Harry" www.divedoc.net
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18th December 2007, 18:46	#25 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask Quote: (Originally Posted by Richard Harris) Hey Mike. I have just ordered my FFM and a Golem BOV as well. Whilst I coped with the M48 I couldn't equalise with dry gloves so no good to me. Obviously you have got the mask working well for you with the side reg and i can certainly see some advantages in doing it like that. But I worry about CO2 build up in the mask if you go to bailout. The company advises against your approach for this reason. Presumably all has been well while breathing off the reg for a short period...but have you tried it for a more prolonged period say 15mins? Any problems or a sense that CO2 was building up? Also you dont want to be nose breathing when you have a CO2 hit (assuming that's the reason you have bailed). Cheers Harry hi harry, as mentioned in another thread someplace (on diveoz forum also iirc), id use side reg nose breathing only as intermediate stage before (if needed) swapping Rebreather dsv for oc reg in main p port, for exactly the reasons you state. i should have made it clearer in my posts as a couple of people have mentioned the same potential issue. in other words i dont use side reg for oc bail - i use it to make oc bail a less stressful experience by nose breathing while swapping out dsv for oc reg, and use it to get quick sanity breath (to see in part if oc bail is needed) cheers m __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you Last edited by Drmike : 18th December 2007 at 18:52.
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19th December 2007, 03:20	#26 (permalink)
Pipnaintez New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 57	Re: Wanted: Draeger NOVA Full Face Mask I am new to rebreathers and do not have one. Forgive me if the answer to my question is simple. But if you are using a BOV with the FFM doesnt that eliminate the need for removing the DSV from the P port? Or is this for switching to a staged bottle during deco?
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