Ffm - Page 2

aquaxel · 26th July 2005, 17:55

if olivier can make it himself - im sure there must be someone out there who can produce mass.

at the time being we checked kirby, scubapro, aga and alike but they werent interrested.

until now we r stuck to find the best compromise.

i must admit i do like exo, widolf and aga, but as mentioned there is the problem of fogging and u need a gas switch block in case of bailout or gas change (o2). additionally they increase the luggage quite a lot if u travel.

for latter the open mouth masks have their advantage.

pchanning · 26th July 2005, 18:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

None of which you get with the Kirby morgan KM48 supermask, and of course equalising it is no different to a normal scuba mask.

For RBs I really dont see why everybody isnt using them (KM48) - I really dont see the downside. The mask with OC pod is reasonably cheap and you can use it with any oc/cc DSV that will fit the OC pod - ie any.

Some pics of it in use here http://drmike.smugmug.com/gallery/660326/2/28420665

Note the mouthbite (in the pod thats seperate from nasal cavity) so no CO2 issues, and the normal looking top face mask that allows normal equalising through nose pinching. You can flood one without effecting the other, and bail to OC without taking off the mask by removing only the pod

I also used this on my inspiration by fitting the original ybod mouthpiece into the OC pod - worked great. You could easily put a KISS oc/cc dsv in it.

I thought the Kirby morgan KM48 supermask wasn't available anymore, at least to the general punter, ie not commercial..??

***caveseeker7*** · 26th July 2005, 18:16

The Supermask is available in a clear silicone version from Oceanic as the JMC Supermask and from Kirby-Morgan dealers in the black silicone version.

What is next to impossible to get is the rebreather pod that the Mikes have.

ROB DAVIE · 26th July 2005, 22:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by aquaxel)

i must admit i do like exo, widolf and aga, but as mentioned there is the problem of fogging and u need a gas switch block in case of bailout or gas change (o2). additionally they increase the luggage quite a lot if u travel.

for latter the open mouth masks have their advantage.

Actually, the KM or Oceanic oral-sex masks with the (unobtanium) Rebreather pods will take up about as much room as any other FFM when packing.

Cheers!

Rob

Drmike · 27th July 2005, 01:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE)

Actually, the KM or Oceanic oral-sex masks with the (unobtanium) Rebreather pods will take up about as much room as any other FFM when packing.

Cheers!

Rob

Oral sex mask - I like it!

When I donned my gear for a dive a few weeks ago I found someone had put a sticker on the back of my unit whilst I was sleeping that said 'Guppy'!

I carry mine, mask, OC/CC pod and hoses all together in one bag thats 12" x 8" x 9"

koputai · 27th July 2005, 01:15

But the KM48 isn't a FFM. A FFM by definition, has the nose and mouth in the same gas space. The KM48 is just a normal face mask, plus a mouthpeice with cover. I have an AGA fitted with a Mk16 DSV which is a neat setup. Bailout would be a nice addition though.

Jason.

Drmike · 27th July 2005, 01:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

But the KM48 isn't a FFM. A FFM by definition, has the nose and mouth in the same gas space. The KM48 is just a normal face mask, plus a mouthpeice with cover. I have an AGA fitted with a Mk16 DSV which is a neat setup. Bailout would be a nice addition though.

Jason.

Ok then lets call it a 'banana'

...Whatever you call it the banana still does what it does, ie same benefits as a 'FFM' none of the disadvantages.

Easy as hell to bail from too.

***caveseeker7*** · 27th July 2005, 04:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

But the KM48 isn't a FFM. A FFM by definition, has the nose and mouth in the same gas space.

Does it??

Why just nose and mouth, not eyes ... they're in the face after all.
The AGA has one way valves at the oral nasal pocket so they're in a different gas space.

Most CCR conversions I have seen have been converted to prevent fogging the mask.

Those AGAs aren't FFM's anymore ?
The skirt of the M-48 covers the entire face ...

... sounds like a FFM to me.

Drmike · 27th July 2005, 05:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Does it??

Why just nose and mouth, not eyes ... they're in the face after all.
The AGA has one way valves at the oral nasal pocket so they're in a different gas space.

Most CCR conversions I have seen have been converted to prevent fogging the mask.

Those AGAs aren't FFM's anymore ?
The skirt of the M-48 covers the entire face ...

... sounds like a FFM to me.

As is often heard in those 'tall lady' bars, "If it looks like chicken, and tastes like chicken - its f_ckin chicken!"

Whatever its called, Im happy with my banana

Mdemon · 27th July 2005, 09:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

But the KM48 isn't a FFM. ... Bailout would be a nice addition though.
Jason.

The KM might be called a half-mask instead, but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it's probably a banana.

Bailout? This was my solution... Bob Howell DSV on an AGA Mk1. Sharp-eyed readers will spot the lever being upside down - normally it points up. I was taking pictures for a write-up and hadn't actually fitted it, this requires hose swaps etc. (The DSV is mounted upside down on the FFM so the reg is out of the way.)

26th July 2005, 17:55	#11 (permalink)
aquaxel aquanaut Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: cyprus Posts: 530	if olivier can make it himself - im sure there must be someone out there who can produce mass. at the time being we checked kirby, scubapro, aga and alike but they werent interrested. until now we r stuck to find the best compromise. i must admit i do like exo, widolf and aga, but as mentioned there is the problem of fogging and u need a gas switch block in case of bailout or gas change (o2). additionally they increase the luggage quite a lot if u travel. for latter the open mouth masks have their advantage. __________________ rgds aquaxel www.aquatec-innerspace.com
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26th July 2005, 18:06	#12 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) None of which you get with the Kirby morgan KM48 supermask, and of course equalising it is no different to a normal scuba mask. For RBs I really dont see why everybody isnt using them (KM48) - I really dont see the downside. The mask with OC pod is reasonably cheap and you can use it with any oc/cc DSV that will fit the OC pod - ie any. Some pics of it in use here http://drmike.smugmug.com/gallery/660326/2/28420665 Note the mouthbite (in the pod thats seperate from nasal cavity) so no CO2 issues, and the normal looking top face mask that allows normal equalising through nose pinching. You can flood one without effecting the other, and bail to OC without taking off the mask by removing only the pod I also used this on my inspiration by fitting the original ybod mouthpiece into the OC pod - worked great. You could easily put a KISS oc/cc dsv in it. I thought the Kirby morgan KM48 supermask wasn't available anymore, at least to the general punter, ie not commercial..??
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26th July 2005, 18:16	#13 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,451	The Supermask is available in a clear silicone version from Oceanic as the JMC Supermask and from Kirby-Morgan dealers in the black silicone version. What is next to impossible to get is the rebreather pod that the Mikes have. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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26th July 2005, 22:30	#14 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Quote: (Originally Posted by aquaxel) i must admit i do like exo, widolf and aga, but as mentioned there is the problem of fogging and u need a gas switch block in case of bailout or gas change (o2). additionally they increase the luggage quite a lot if u travel. for latter the open mouth masks have their advantage. Actually, the KM or Oceanic oral-sex masks with the (unobtanium) Rebreather pods will take up about as much room as any other FFM when packing. Cheers! Rob __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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27th July 2005, 01:15	#15 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,322	Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE) Actually, the KM or Oceanic oral-sex masks with the (unobtanium) Rebreather pods will take up about as much room as any other FFM when packing. Cheers! Rob Oral sex mask - I like it! When I donned my gear for a dive a few weeks ago I found someone had put a sticker on the back of my unit whilst I was sleeping that said 'Guppy'! I carry mine, mask, OC/CC pod and hoses all together in one bag thats 12" x 8" x 9" __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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27th July 2005, 01:15	#16 (permalink)
koputai Subsea Systems Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 336	But the KM48 isn't a FFM. A FFM by definition, has the nose and mouth in the same gas space. The KM48 is just a normal face mask, plus a mouthpeice with cover. I have an AGA fitted with a Mk16 DSV which is a neat setup. Bailout would be a nice addition though. Jason.
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27th July 2005, 01:22	#17 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,322	Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) But the KM48 isn't a FFM. A FFM by definition, has the nose and mouth in the same gas space. The KM48 is just a normal face mask, plus a mouthpeice with cover. I have an AGA fitted with a Mk16 DSV which is a neat setup. Bailout would be a nice addition though. Jason. Ok then lets call it a 'banana' ...Whatever you call it the banana still does what it does, ie same benefits as a 'FFM' none of the disadvantages. Easy as hell to bail from too. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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27th July 2005, 04:54	#18 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,451	Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) But the KM48 isn't a FFM. A FFM by definition, has the nose and mouth in the same gas space. Does it?? Why just nose and mouth, not eyes ... they're in the face after all. The AGA has one way valves at the oral nasal pocket so they're in a different gas space. Most CCR conversions I have seen have been converted to prevent fogging the mask. Those AGAs aren't FFM's anymore ? The skirt of the M-48 covers the entire face ... ... sounds like a FFM to me. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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27th July 2005, 05:27	#19 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,322	Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Does it?? Why just nose and mouth, not eyes ... they're in the face after all. The AGA has one way valves at the oral nasal pocket so they're in a different gas space. Most CCR conversions I have seen have been converted to prevent fogging the mask. Those AGAs aren't FFM's anymore ? The skirt of the M-48 covers the entire face ... ... sounds like a FFM to me. As is often heard in those 'tall lady' bars, "If it looks like chicken, and tastes like chicken - its f_ckin chicken!" Whatever its called, Im happy with my banana __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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27th July 2005, 09:40	#20 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,926	Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) But the KM48 isn't a FFM. ... Bailout would be a nice addition though. Jason. The KM might be called a half-mask instead, but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it's probably a banana. Bailout? This was my solution... Bob Howell DSV on an AGA Mk1. Sharp-eyed readers will spot the lever being upside down - normally it points up. I was taking pictures for a write-up and hadn't actually fitted it, this requires hose swaps etc. (The DSV is mounted upside down on the FFM so the reg is out of the way.) __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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