Fake Blood

Offgas · 6th November 2006, 05:19

Could this have some uses in diving or in hyperbaric treatment? Interesting article in any case...

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science...ccdrcrd/5.html

Offgas

jaap · 6th November 2006, 14:10

Maybe something like in this article.

Degassed liquids to prevent/treat decompression sickness:
Entrez PubMed

I have the article if someone is interested.

Gene_Hobbs · 6th November 2006, 15:09

Treatment of Decompression Sickness in Swine With Intravenous Perfluorocarbon Emulsion
Rubicon Repository ID#: 123456789/3807
First printed in Aviation, Space and Environmental Medicine. Now NMRI Technical Report.
Rubicon Research Repository

Dromsky did some REALLY good work on this topic. The Perfluorocarbon Emulsion is no longer in production so research is stagnant at the moment.

also look at the keyword "Perfluorocarbon" in our database. That will give six more hits.

Simon Mitchell · 6th November 2006, 20:23

Hello,

In 2003 we (the UHMS Decompression Illness Adjunctive Therapy Committee) published a review of potentially useful non-recompression treatment for DCI (ie drugs, fluids, and first aid oxygen). The potential role for perfluorocarbon emulsions in treatment of decompression illness is summarised comprehensively in this review which is available for purchase through the UHMS website:

Moon RE (ed). Report of the Decompression Illness Adjunctive Therapy Committee of the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (Including Proceedings of the Fifty-Third Workshop of the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society). Kensington MD 2003. Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society: 194pp

Warm regards,

Simon M

rb5150 · 6th November 2006, 20:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by jaap)

Maybe something like in this article.

Degassed liquids to prevent/treat decompression sickness:
Entrez PubMed

I have the article if someone is interested.

This is definitely an interesting topic.

JAAP: Could you send me the article? adam.velardo@gmail.com

Thanks!

babar · 8th November 2006, 20:24

Synthetic blood products: SYBD.com

they have some cool photos. They also produce a breathable liquid that is in clinical use for certain types of lung diseases. Similar to the stuff in The Abyss. I'm giving a lecture on it at the course in Dominica (cough, cough) if anyone's interested.

Celia_E · 10th November 2006, 16:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gene_Hobbs)

Treatment of Decompression Sickness in Swine With Intravenous Perfluorocarbon Emulsion
Rubicon Repository ID#: 123456789/3807
First printed in Aviation, Space and Environmental Medicine. Now NMRI Technical Report.
Rubicon Research Repository

Dromsky did some REALLY good work on this topic. The Perfluorocarbon Emulsion is no longer in production so research is stagnant at the moment.

also look at the keyword "Perfluorocarbon" in our database. That will give six more hits.

Yah, a real shame. It looked like a great way of expediting treatment. My buddy used the products for a while in her veterinary practice with great results. No storage issues (as in with whole blood) and no type and crossmatch problem either. I think it still has possibilities if someone picks up again...

On a different and totally non-related note: The shares for the manufacturing company also went down so I got rid of them fast.

Dive safe,

Celia

Gene_Hobbs · 4th December 2006, 18:57

Since this has finally been published and this thread is not quite a month old...

K Yoshitani et. al. Reduction in air bubble size using perfluorocarbons during cardiopulmonary bypass in the rat. Anesth Analg. 2006 Nov;103(5):1089-93. PMID: 17056937

apitkin · 4th December 2006, 20:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by Celia_E)

On a different and totally non-related note: The shares for the manufacturing company also went down so I got rid of them fast.

Not so sure it's unrelated. The market has had a pretty pessimistic view of the technology and judging by the way the share price sagged after the initial optimism I would think the product is as far from the market as ever.

Andy

6th November 2006, 05:19	#1 (permalink)
Offgas New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 90	Fake Blood Could this have some uses in diving or in hyperbaric treatment? Interesting article in any case... http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science...ccdrcrd/5.html Offgas
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6th November 2006, 14:10	#2 (permalink)
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6th November 2006, 15:09	#3 (permalink)
Gene_Hobbs Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Durham, NC, USA Posts: 117	Re: Fake Blood Treatment of Decompression Sickness in Swine With Intravenous Perfluorocarbon Emulsion Rubicon Repository ID#: 123456789/3807 First printed in Aviation, Space and Environmental Medicine. Now NMRI Technical Report. Rubicon Research Repository Dromsky did some REALLY good work on this topic. The Perfluorocarbon Emulsion is no longer in production so research is stagnant at the moment. also look at the keyword "Perfluorocarbon" in our database. That will give six more hits. __________________ http://rubicon-foundation.org/ Home of the Rubicon Research Repository. For help getting started with the Repository, please visit our FAQ page. PLEASE support our work. "Oxygen is addictive and deadly. Everyone who uses it will eventually die" --RW Hamilton, PhD 1991
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6th November 2006, 20:23	#4 (permalink)
Simon Mitchell New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 168	Re: Fake Blood Hello, In 2003 we (the UHMS Decompression Illness Adjunctive Therapy Committee) published a review of potentially useful non-recompression treatment for DCI (ie drugs, fluids, and first aid oxygen). The potential role for perfluorocarbon emulsions in treatment of decompression illness is summarised comprehensively in this review which is available for purchase through the UHMS website: Moon RE (ed). Report of the Decompression Illness Adjunctive Therapy Committee of the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (Including Proceedings of the Fifty-Third Workshop of the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society). Kensington MD 2003. Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society: 194pp Warm regards, Simon M
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6th November 2006, 20:47	#5 (permalink)
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8th November 2006, 20:24	#6 (permalink)
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10th November 2006, 16:09	#7 (permalink)
Celia_E Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: back from paradise... Posts: 111	Re: Fake Blood Quote: (Originally Posted by Gene_Hobbs) Treatment of Decompression Sickness in Swine With Intravenous Perfluorocarbon Emulsion Rubicon Repository ID#: 123456789/3807 First printed in Aviation, Space and Environmental Medicine. Now NMRI Technical Report. Rubicon Research Repository Dromsky did some REALLY good work on this topic. The Perfluorocarbon Emulsion is no longer in production so research is stagnant at the moment. also look at the keyword "Perfluorocarbon" in our database. That will give six more hits. Yah, a real shame. It looked like a great way of expediting treatment. My buddy used the products for a while in her veterinary practice with great results. No storage issues (as in with whole blood) and no type and crossmatch problem either. I think it still has possibilities if someone picks up again... On a different and totally non-related note: The shares for the manufacturing company also went down so I got rid of them fast. Dive safe, Celia
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4th December 2006, 18:57	#8 (permalink)
Gene_Hobbs Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Durham, NC, USA Posts: 117	Re: Fake Blood Since this has finally been published and this thread is not quite a month old... K Yoshitani et. al. Reduction in air bubble size using perfluorocarbons during cardiopulmonary bypass in the rat. Anesth Analg. 2006 Nov;103(5):1089-93. PMID: 17056937 __________________ http://rubicon-foundation.org/ Home of the Rubicon Research Repository. For help getting started with the Repository, please visit our FAQ page. PLEASE support our work. "Oxygen is addictive and deadly. Everyone who uses it will eventually die" --RW Hamilton, PhD 1991
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4th December 2006, 20:07	#9 (permalink)
apitkin New Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land Posts: 100	Re: Fake Blood Quote: (Originally Posted by Celia_E) On a different and totally non-related note: The shares for the manufacturing company also went down so I got rid of them fast. Not so sure it's unrelated. The market has had a pretty pessimistic view of the technology and judging by the way the share price sagged after the initial optimism I would think the product is as far from the market as ever. Andy
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