Scopalamine and diving

LakeLover · 15th April 2007, 13:19

Lately I have seen a few posts on Sea Sickness medications and Scopalamine. Attached is a "Lessons Learned" Article by DR. Michel Tagliati, M.D. The article appeared as a warning in Wreck Diving Magazine. I urge everyone not familiar with the potential side affects of this drug while diving to read it.

scubagrunt · 15th April 2007, 13:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by LakeLover)

Lately I have seen a few posts on Sea Sickness medications and Scopalamine. Attached is a "Lessons Learned" Article by DR. Michel Tagliati, M.D. The article appeared as a warning in Wreck Diving Magazine. I urge everyone not familiar with the potential side affects of this drug while diving to read it.

thanks interesting read

jhaaja · 15th April 2007, 14:01

Good article. There was a long article in one of year 2006 DAN Alert Diver. If I remember correct it was advised that scopo is OK to use while diving if one test it beforehand for the side effects. In the article it was also mentioned that scopo is the only motion sickness medicine that is accepted in USNavy.

JH

Sutty · 15th April 2007, 14:12

The problem with all these drugs is that they haven't really been tested formally for diving, they all have side effects. Just because someone gets significant side effects with one drug doesn't mean that that drug is no good, or that other drugs are better. Scopolomine (hyoscine) does at least have the merit of being one of the most effective single agents.

Neil

Drmike · 15th April 2007, 17:07

Can anyone get me some Scopalamine patches???

Cant get them in Singapore and Im down to my last two!!!

Nothing else works for me.

PM me if possible and we can sort out payment/shipping
Thanks

PS I heard there was issues with the manufacturer who may/has pulled production of the patches last year - dont know if thats still the case

Sutty · 15th April 2007, 21:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Can anyone get me some Scopalamine patches???

Cant get them in Singapore and Im down to my last two!!!

Nothing else works for me.

PM me if possible and we can sort out payment/shipping
Thanks

PS I heard there was issues with the manufacturer who may/has pulled production of the patches last year - dont know if thats still the case

I wish I could Mike, but not available in UK last time I checked :-(

Neil

Gene_Hobbs · 18th April 2007, 02:57

Transdermal Scopolamine in the Hyperbaric Environment.
Schwartz and Curley, 1986
RRR ID: 3528

and from the article:

Hyperbaric oxygen and scopolamine.
Bitterman et. al. 1991
RRR ID: 2573

Effects of transcutaneous scopolamine and depth on diver performance.
Williams et. al. 1988
RRR ID: 2495

Third is from ASEM and not available online at present. PMID ID: 2647072

Drmike · 18th April 2007, 05:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gene_Hobbs)

Transdermal Scopolamine in the Hyperbaric Environment.
Schwartz and Curley, 1986
RRR ID: 3528

and from the article:

Hyperbaric oxygen and scopolamine.
Bitterman et. al. 1991
RRR ID: 2573

Effects of transcutaneous scopolamine and depth on diver performance.
Williams et. al. 1988
RRR ID: 2495

Third is from ASEM and not available online at present. PMID ID: 2647072

Thanks Gene, as Ive said privately its really great to have hard data such as this readily available.

ScubaSteve · 17th July 2007, 05:28

The only comment I will add is that the 'orphan' form of this drug in pill form is short acting and more controlled vs the patch...which I have had bad experiences with.

The pills have been like magic though...key for me is heavily hydrating to counter the dry mouth, perhaps that fact is a factor with the side efects. I feel good diving on them and they do not have the same 'efficacy' (sp) as the patches.

As with everything....each person is different...but also with everything in diving hydration is the key factor ...perhaps there is a relationship. It is rare that I see divers drinkng the amount of water they really should.....worried about urinating and such...

just my .02

DanDunfee · 19th July 2007, 14:38

Interesting sidenote for those not old enough to remember World War II......
Scopolomine was used rather extensively...intravenously injected in pretty large doses... as a TRUTH SERUM.....
Sooo if you get to feeling pretty good on it...better watch your mouth

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jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	Re: Scopalamine and diving Good article. There was a long article in one of year 2006 DAN Alert Diver. If I remember correct it was advised that scopo is OK to use while diving if one test it beforehand for the side effects. In the article it was also mentioned that scopo is the only motion sickness medicine that is accepted in USNavy. JH
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15th April 2007, 14:12	#4 (permalink)
Sutty Classic Kiss diver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Glossop, Derbyshire, UK Posts: 801	Re: Scopalamine and diving The problem with all these drugs is that they haven't really been tested formally for diving, they all have side effects. Just because someone gets significant side effects with one drug doesn't mean that that drug is no good, or that other drugs are better. Scopolomine (hyoscine) does at least have the merit of being one of the most effective single agents. Neil __________________ Never forget that life is a finite resource.
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Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,325	Re: Scopalamine and diving Can anyone get me some Scopalamine patches??? Cant get them in Singapore and Im down to my last two!!! Nothing else works for me. PM me if possible and we can sort out payment/shipping Thanks PS I heard there was issues with the manufacturer who may/has pulled production of the patches last year - dont know if thats still the case __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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15th April 2007, 21:42	#6 (permalink)
Sutty Classic Kiss diver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Glossop, Derbyshire, UK Posts: 801	Re: Scopalamine and diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Can anyone get me some Scopalamine patches??? Cant get them in Singapore and Im down to my last two!!! Nothing else works for me. PM me if possible and we can sort out payment/shipping Thanks PS I heard there was issues with the manufacturer who may/has pulled production of the patches last year - dont know if thats still the case I wish I could Mike, but not available in UK last time I checked :-( Neil __________________ Never forget that life is a finite resource.
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18th April 2007, 02:57	#7 (permalink)
Gene_Hobbs Resident bibliophile Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Durham, NC, USA Posts: 122	Re: Scopalamine and diving Transdermal Scopolamine in the Hyperbaric Environment. Schwartz and Curley, 1986 RRR ID: 3528 and from the article: Hyperbaric oxygen and scopolamine. Bitterman et. al. 1991 RRR ID: 2573 Effects of transcutaneous scopolamine and depth on diver performance. Williams et. al. 1988 RRR ID: 2495 Third is from ASEM and not available online at present. PMID ID: 2647072 __________________ http://rubicon-foundation.org/ Home of the Rubicon Research Repository. For help getting started with the Repository, please visit our FAQ page. PLEASE support our work. "Oxygen is addictive and deadly. Everyone who uses it will eventually die" --RW Hamilton, PhD 1991 Last edited by Gene_Hobbs : 18th April 2007 at 03:37. Reason: RRR suggested reading list: http://rubicon-foundation.org/RRR_reading.html#Drug
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Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,325	Re: Scopalamine and diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Gene_Hobbs) Transdermal Scopolamine in the Hyperbaric Environment. Schwartz and Curley, 1986 RRR ID: 3528 and from the article: Hyperbaric oxygen and scopolamine. Bitterman et. al. 1991 RRR ID: 2573 Effects of transcutaneous scopolamine and depth on diver performance. Williams et. al. 1988 RRR ID: 2495 Third is from ASEM and not available online at present. PMID ID: 2647072 Thanks Gene, as Ive said privately its really great to have hard data such as this readily available. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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17th July 2007, 05:28	#9 (permalink)
ScubaSteve New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1	Re: Scopalamine and diving The only comment I will add is that the 'orphan' form of this drug in pill form is short acting and more controlled vs the patch...which I have had bad experiences with. The pills have been like magic though...key for me is heavily hydrating to counter the dry mouth, perhaps that fact is a factor with the side efects. I feel good diving on them and they do not have the same 'efficacy' (sp) as the patches. As with everything....each person is different...but also with everything in diving hydration is the key factor ...perhaps there is a relationship. It is rare that I see divers drinkng the amount of water they really should.....worried about urinating and such... just my .02 __________________ Last edited by ScubaSteve : 17th July 2007 at 05:33.
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DanDunfee Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 204	Re: Scopalamine and diving Interesting sidenote for those not old enough to remember World War II...... Scopolomine was used rather extensively...intravenously injected in pretty large doses... as a TRUTH SERUM..... Sooo if you get to feeling pretty good on it...better watch your mouth __________________ There are 'Bold' divers and old divers, but NO old, ' Bold ' divers Last edited by DanDunfee : 19th July 2007 at 14:46.
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