DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home...

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 04:47

Thanks for the pictures from the show, that's great service from the DEMA Team!

Just thought I would poll the general feeling of those staying at home and looking at the pictures of new Rebreather toys introduced this year at DEMA.

What does everyone think ?

Personally, I haven't seen anything that I want to run out and buy yet...

***caveseeker7*** · 2nd November 2007, 05:41

Well, my impression so far, from what I've seen:

The Hammerhead CCR looks like a serious contender that could give the Meg a run for the money.
It has integrated deco, redundant if you want, and what looks like a nice scrubber.
Both items ISC has been promising for quite a while.

The Disco is a bit of a disappointment at least visually, and their marketing worries me.

The PRISM 2 at this stage is just a moded and pimped prototype based PRISM Topaz.
Too bad Hollis hadn't more to show. Basic loop has always been great on that rig, but unless we know how it's build there is no telling if there's the needed improvements.

Personally I like the Sentinel a lot. Nicely build, many of the Ouroboros features at more reasonable price tag. And I do have learned to appreciate backmounted lungs.

The rest I yet to catch up with.

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 06:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

The Hammerhead CCR looks like a serious contender that could give the Meg a run for the money.

I foresee a pi$$ing contest coming on this one. Having seen the details of the lid, I am sure someone is going to have a fit...

I do love the radial scrubber and BOV as I have been using them, but have no recent experience with the lastest HH for about 4 years now.

Quote:

The Disco...The PRISM 2 at this stage is just a moded and pimped prototype based PRISM Topaz.

Never was interested in the Prism so also no interest in a repackaged version either.

Quote:

Personally I like the Sentinel a lot.

I have a small interest in the Sentinel (i.e. the electronic and WOB) but can't decide since (to be honest) I can't figure out the details from the pictures available thus far - a little dark.

Mark Chase · 2nd November 2007, 06:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I foresee a pi$ contest coming on this one. Having seen the details of the lid, I am sure someone is going to have a fit...

I do love the radial scrubber and BOV as I have been using them, but have no recent experience with the lastest HH for about 4 years now.

Never was interested in the Prism so also no interest in a repackaged version either.

I have a small interest in the Sentinel (i.e. the electronic and WOB) but can't decide since (to be honest) I can't figure out the details from the pictures available thus far - a little dark.

As above really. The CIS thing looks a bit odd but interesting. If the new HH actually proves reliable Id be very interested as when they work they are great. I am trying not to get too interested in the Sentinel but of all the new toys it looks the most interesting especially being based in the UK.

Before i do anything more i have to convince Howard to get the Shearwater Head for the Classic. THAT is definitely top of my of interest list. It looks great and my experiences with the Shearwater GF head on my KISS has been excellent.

ATB

Mark

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 08:05

Any more detail information regarding THIS unit ?

I like the case and wonder if the Vision will fit inside (if it is AL, and not SS) ?

Mark Chase · 2nd November 2007, 08:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Any more detail information regarding THIS unit ?

I like the case and wonder if the Vision will fit inside (if it is AL, and not SS) ?

Forget it M8 waaaaaaayyyyy too big and heavy

Mind you i know where you can get a Travel frame for it

ATB

Mark

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 08:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Forget it M8 waaaaaaayyyyy too big and heavy

Mind you i know where you can get a Travel frame for it

Obviously, the TF is definitely THE choice when travel...

I am still looking to upgrade from my home-made frame for week-end use.

Thought I might have found one when Alex was selling his brand new Alibox, but when it arrived a month later, it was the Evolution version so I am debating if it is worth the hassle/cost to ship to Mike Hearn (who very graciously offer to exchange for a Vision size).

**RichClark** · 2nd November 2007, 08:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Thanks for the pictures from the show, that's great service from the DEMA Team!

Just thought I would poll the general feeling of those staying at home and looking at the pictures of new Rebreather toys introduced this year at DEMA.

What does everyone think ?

Personally, I haven't seen anything that I want to run out and buy yet...

The only things have caught my interest so far is the Hammerhead/Golem CCR. It has the *potential* to scream quality. And Paul's rEvo with Shearwater, just wish he'd use Brice's HUD as well and keep a single rEvodream and independant backup across two cells.

Cheers

Rich

Drmike · 2nd November 2007, 08:56

my impression mostly...

The 'antique' prism with a new label - yay!

An old meg with a different handset

An old inspiration with a BOV

Some units with hammerhead controllers

Come on guys give us something new and interesting. How about pushing the technology or market FORWARD?

Only thing of any interest IMO (and pushing tech forward) the only things i would have actually broken my stride to stop and look at :-

Sentinel
Disco
Alexs stuff
Golem/hh Rebreather

Last Dema was crap (apart from the blonde lesbian thing and the free booze at the PADI conferance) glad i didnt bother with this one

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 11:28

What about CO2 sensor ?

I remember Alex Deas was saying there were 4-5 CO2 sensors available for show-and-tell at DEMA-2006. Any of those sensors back this year in a more improved state ?

2nd November 2007, 04:47	#1 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Thanks for the pictures from the show, that's great service from the DEMA Team! Just thought I would poll the general feeling of those staying at home and looking at the pictures of new Rebreather toys introduced this year at DEMA. What does everyone think ? Personally, I haven't seen anything that I want to run out and buy yet...
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2nd November 2007, 05:41	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,318	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Well, my impression so far, from what I've seen: The Hammerhead CCR looks like a serious contender that could give the Meg a run for the money. It has integrated deco, redundant if you want, and what looks like a nice scrubber. Both items ISC has been promising for quite a while. The Disco is a bit of a disappointment at least visually, and their marketing worries me. The PRISM 2 at this stage is just a moded and pimped prototype based PRISM Topaz. Too bad Hollis hadn't more to show. Basic loop has always been great on that rig, but unless we know how it's build there is no telling if there's the needed improvements. Personally I like the Sentinel a lot. Nicely build, many of the Ouroboros features at more reasonable price tag. And I do have learned to appreciate backmounted lungs. The rest I yet to catch up with. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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2nd November 2007, 06:10	#3 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) The Hammerhead CCR looks like a serious contender that could give the Meg a run for the money. I foresee a pi$$ing contest coming on this one. Having seen the details of the lid, I am sure someone is going to have a fit... I do love the radial scrubber and BOV as I have been using them, but have no recent experience with the lastest HH for about 4 years now. Quote: The Disco...The PRISM 2 at this stage is just a moded and pimped prototype based PRISM Topaz. Never was interested in the Prism so also no interest in a repackaged version either. Quote: Personally I like the Sentinel a lot. I have a small interest in the Sentinel (i.e. the electronic and WOB) but can't decide since (to be honest) I can't figure out the details from the pictures available thus far - a little dark.
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2nd November 2007, 06:45	#4 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,461	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I foresee a pi$ contest coming on this one. Having seen the details of the lid, I am sure someone is going to have a fit... I do love the radial scrubber and BOV as I have been using them, but have no recent experience with the lastest HH for about 4 years now. Never was interested in the Prism so also no interest in a repackaged version either. I have a small interest in the Sentinel (i.e. the electronic and WOB) but can't decide since (to be honest) I can't figure out the details from the pictures available thus far - a little dark. As above really. The CIS thing looks a bit odd but interesting. If the new HH actually proves reliable Id be very interested as when they work they are great. I am trying not to get too interested in the Sentinel but of all the new toys it looks the most interesting especially being based in the UK. Before i do anything more i have to convince Howard to get the Shearwater Head for the Classic. THAT is definitely top of my of interest list. It looks great and my experiences with the Shearwater GF head on my KISS has been excellent. ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Any more detail information regarding THIS unit ? I like the case and wonder if the Vision will fit inside (if it is AL, and not SS) ?
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2nd November 2007, 08:24	#6 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,461	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Any more detail information regarding THIS unit ? I like the case and wonder if the Vision will fit inside (if it is AL, and not SS) ? Forget it M8 waaaaaaayyyyy too big and heavy Mind you i know where you can get a Travel frame for it ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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2nd November 2007, 08:32	#7 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Forget it M8 waaaaaaayyyyy too big and heavy Mind you i know where you can get a Travel frame for it Obviously, the TF is definitely THE choice when travel... I am still looking to upgrade from my home-made frame for week-end use. Thought I might have found one when Alex was selling his brand new Alibox, but when it arrived a month later, it was the Evolution version so I am debating if it is worth the hassle/cost to ship to Mike Hearn (who very graciously offer to exchange for a Vision size).
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2nd November 2007, 08:55	#8 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 766	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Thanks for the pictures from the show, that's great service from the DEMA Team! Just thought I would poll the general feeling of those staying at home and looking at the pictures of new Rebreather toys introduced this year at DEMA. What does everyone think ? Personally, I haven't seen anything that I want to run out and buy yet... The only things have caught my interest so far is the Hammerhead/Golem CCR. It has the potential to scream quality. And Paul's rEvo with Shearwater, just wish he'd use Brice's HUD as well and keep a single rEvodream and independant backup across two cells. Cheers Rich __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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2nd November 2007, 08:56	#9 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... my impression mostly... The 'antique' prism with a new label - yay! An old meg with a different handset An old inspiration with a BOV Some units with hammerhead controllers Come on guys give us something new and interesting. How about pushing the technology or market FORWARD? Only thing of any interest IMO (and pushing tech forward) the only things i would have actually broken my stride to stop and look at :- Sentinel Disco Alexs stuff Golem/hh Rebreather Last Dema was crap (apart from the blonde lesbian thing and the free booze at the PADI conferance) glad i didnt bother with this one __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you Last edited by Drmike : 2nd November 2007 at 08:59.
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... What about CO2 sensor ? I remember Alex Deas was saying there were 4-5 CO2 sensors available for show-and-tell at DEMA-2006. Any of those sensors back this year in a more improved state ? Last edited by decoweenie : 2nd November 2007 at 13:04. Reason: correction
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