DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home...

***Beanie*** · 2nd November 2007, 13:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Any more detail information regarding THIS unit ?

I like the case and wonder if the Vision will fit inside (if it is AL, and not SS) ?

That's the OR only got photos will try to get back for more info.

onetime · 2nd November 2007, 14:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Personally, I haven't seen anything that I want to run out and buy yet...

On the Rebreather side I've got to agree. Nothing very appealing and it would seem that vapourware remains the order of the day. Perhaps one day all the talk will catch up to production but I won't hold my breath.

**PhilSiswick** · 2nd November 2007, 14:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime)

On the Rebreather side I've got to agree. Nothing very appealing and it would seem that vapourware remains the order of the day. Perhaps one day all the talk will catch up to production but I won't hold my breath.

Nah, by then the talk will have moved on too.....

Cheers,

**UWSojourner** · 2nd November 2007, 17:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I foresee a pi$ contest coming on this one. Having seen the details of the lid, I am sure someone is going to have a fit...

Hey Phi, what are the "details of the lid"? Most of the pics are kinda dark. The only thing I wondered was the sensors look like they might have the same cross-scurbber issue as the Meg ... is that right? Do you know how the HH/GG Rebreather compares in canister size/weight to the Meg?

I was hoping the GG BMCL might be worth looking at. Seems like you'd say hold out for Dave T's design?

PCDiver · 2nd November 2007, 18:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Well, my impression so far, from what I've seen:

The Hammerhead CCR looks like a serious contender that could give the Meg a run for the money.

Hmmmm. I'm not so sure. I never had serious problems with Golemgear stuff and the minor ones where fixed very quickly in a very customer friendly way. I'd wish I could say the same about our Hammerheads.

PCDiver · 2nd November 2007, 18:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

What about CO2 sensor ?

I remember Alex Deas was saying there were 4-5 CO2 sensors available for show-and-tell at DEMA-2006. Any of those sensors back this year in a more improved state ?

I was also expecting multiple CO2 sensors being shown at Dema 2007. But apparently it is Vaporware 2.0?

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 18:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by UWSojourner)

...what are the "details of the lid"?...

I should really let JM or GG post the pictures since it is their units, I just got some previews from the manufacturing source.

Concerning the BMCL, as you know, I have been using the DT BMCL system for 2+ years now on the Meg and Vision units, and can't see ever using anything else.

decoweenie · 2nd November 2007, 19:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

I'd wish I could say the same about our Hammerheads.

Keep that up and you are not going to win any popularity contest from JM...

tibby · 2nd November 2007, 21:12

A newbe's view...I have no regrets I recently bought an Apecs 2.5 as nothing at DEMA appears to be all that. The HH/GG is ok but how's it different from a Hammermeg with a BOV aside from maybe initial cost? Also, most divers on most dives don't need a 7.5lb scrubber as it would be a waste of lime.
The new CIS I'll pass for now as it looks like it was made by Mattel.
The OR is designed for commercial stuff for now so nothing new for the little consumer like myself. Maybe later?..and BTW, no way that thing's gonna' ever sell for less than $5000 unless they can sell 500K units a year or something.
I could see the Sentinel being ok but it's plumbing looks a bit fragile under the cowling, same goes for its somewhat exposed CL (or CLs?).
I'm dissapointed about the CO2 monitors that we were promised. What's up with that?
Also, where the hell is the Tesseract? That one sure revolutionized the market, didn't it?
That's it, I'm going diving with my cutting-edge Meg.
Cheers
Tibby

Philippe GERIN · 3rd November 2007, 07:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby)

Also, most divers on most dives don't need a 7.5lb scrubber.../...

You could say that about most new stuff and most new rigs... Seems to me that manufacturers took the option to pull the market toward the high end "showing of" their best available technology, capabilities and know how.
IMO, all this does is complicates matters, makes it time consuming to prep for most of our dives.
I would like to see a back to basics trend incorporating user friendly and safety features. Sort of what the car industry did with the ABS/ESP... It's there when you need it but you don't need to spend 15mn setting up the system before you start up your car to go get the bread round the corner.
Best
Philippe

2nd November 2007, 13:22	#11 (permalink)
*Beanie* Politeness officer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,198	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Any more detail information regarding THIS unit ? I like the case and wonder if the Vision will fit inside (if it is AL, and not SS) ? That's the OR only got photos will try to get back for more info. __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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2nd November 2007, 14:15	#12 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 669	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Personally, I haven't seen anything that I want to run out and buy yet... On the Rebreather side I've got to agree. Nothing very appealing and it would seem that vapourware remains the order of the day. Perhaps one day all the talk will catch up to production but I won't hold my breath.
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2nd November 2007, 14:17	#13 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 909	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime) On the Rebreather side I've got to agree. Nothing very appealing and it would seem that vapourware remains the order of the day. Perhaps one day all the talk will catch up to production but I won't hold my breath. Nah, by then the talk will have moved on too..... Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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2nd November 2007, 17:49	#14 (permalink)
UWSojourner Pacific Northwest Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 556	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I foresee a pi$ contest coming on this one. Having seen the details of the lid, I am sure someone is going to have a fit... Hey Phi, what are the "details of the lid"? Most of the pics are kinda dark. The only thing I wondered was the sensors look like they might have the same cross-scurbber issue as the Meg ... is that right? Do you know how the HH/GG Rebreather compares in canister size/weight to the Meg? I was hoping the GG BMCL might be worth looking at. Seems like you'd say hold out for Dave T's design?
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2nd November 2007, 18:20	#15 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 933	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Well, my impression so far, from what I've seen: The Hammerhead CCR looks like a serious contender that could give the Meg a run for the money. Hmmmm. I'm not so sure. I never had serious problems with Golemgear stuff and the minor ones where fixed very quickly in a very customer friendly way. I'd wish I could say the same about our Hammerheads.
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2nd November 2007, 18:23	#16 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 933	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) What about CO2 sensor ? I remember Alex Deas was saying there were 4-5 CO2 sensors available for show-and-tell at DEMA-2006. Any of those sensors back this year in a more improved state ? I was also expecting multiple CO2 sensors being shown at Dema 2007. But apparently it is Vaporware 2.0?
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2nd November 2007, 18:29	#17 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by UWSojourner) ...what are the "details of the lid"?... I should really let JM or GG post the pictures since it is their units, I just got some previews from the manufacturing source. Concerning the BMCL, as you know, I have been using the DT BMCL system for 2+ years now on the Meg and Vision units, and can't see ever using anything else.
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2nd November 2007, 19:53	#18 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: DEMA 2007: 1st impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) I'd wish I could say the same about our Hammerheads. Keep that up and you are not going to win any popularity contest from JM...
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2nd November 2007, 21:12	#19 (permalink)
tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 336	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... A newbe's view...I have no regrets I recently bought an Apecs 2.5 as nothing at DEMA appears to be all that. The HH/GG is ok but how's it different from a Hammermeg with a BOV aside from maybe initial cost? Also, most divers on most dives don't need a 7.5lb scrubber as it would be a waste of lime. The new CIS I'll pass for now as it looks like it was made by Mattel. The OR is designed for commercial stuff for now so nothing new for the little consumer like myself. Maybe later?..and BTW, no way that thing's gonna' ever sell for less than $5000 unless they can sell 500K units a year or something. I could see the Sentinel being ok but it's plumbing looks a bit fragile under the cowling, same goes for its somewhat exposed CL (or CLs?). I'm dissapointed about the CO2 monitors that we were promised. What's up with that? Also, where the hell is the Tesseract? That one sure revolutionized the market, didn't it? That's it, I'm going diving with my cutting-edge Meg. Cheers Tibby __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm
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3rd November 2007, 07:53	#20 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 632	Re: DEMA 2007: Impressions from those staying at home... Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby) Also, most divers on most dives don't need a 7.5lb scrubber.../... You could say that about most new stuff and most new rigs... Seems to me that manufacturers took the option to pull the market toward the high end "showing of" their best available technology, capabilities and know how. IMO, all this does is complicates matters, makes it time consuming to prep for most of our dives. I would like to see a back to basics trend incorporating user friendly and safety features. Sort of what the car industry did with the ABS/ESP... It's there when you need it but you don't need to spend 15mn setting up the system before you start up your car to go get the bread round the corner. Best Philippe
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