Buhlmann vs. RGBM

dgschott · 1st February 2007, 04:37

Sorry for the misunderstanding. The HS Explorer runs Bruce's 1st version RGBM code. The X1 will run a true VPM with variations switchable on the fly.

I haven't spoken with Kees for a while. He was planning on writing a program for the X1 using GAP (RGBM) software the last time we spoke (a few months ago). It's my understanding that it can be done.

I emailed Eric Fattah at Liquivision, and he told me that Bruce Weinke has declined to allow RGBM to run on the X1, much to everyone's disappointment.

The X1 release is planned for mid to late April.

decoweenie · 1st February 2007, 05:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by dgschott)

The X1 will run a true VPM with variations switchable on the fly.

The amount of computation requirement between RGBM and VPM are supposedly similar, so we'll see...

Quote:

I haven't spoken with Kees for a while. He was planning on writing a program for the X1 using GAP (RGBM) software the last time we spoke (a few months ago). It's my understanding that it can be done.

That doesn't compute. Kees licenses RGBM for GAP, and AFAIK, he can't use it outside of GAP. Kees will clear it up...

Quote:

I emailed Eric Fattah at Liquivision, and he told me that Bruce Weinke has declined to allow RGBM to run on the X1, much to everyone's disappointment.

Probably has to do with licensing fee and/or computing requirements...

Quote:

The X1 release is planned for mid to late April.

It would be nice if that happens, but personally, I won't hold my breath...

dgschott · 1st February 2007, 05:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

The amount of computation requirement between RGBM and VPM are supposedly similar, so we'll see...

That doesn't compute. Kees licenses RGBM for GAP, and AFAIK, he can't use it outside of GAP. Kees will clear it up...

Probably has to do with licensing fee and/or computing requirements...

It would be nice if that happens, but personally, I won't hold my breath...

Just telling you all the info I get.... I'm looking forward to the X1, but did you notice I didn't specify a year? lol

decoweenie · 1st February 2007, 06:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by dgschott)

Just telling you all the info I get.... I'm looking forward to the X1, but did you notice I didn't specify a year? lol

Sure, I understand that we are just discussing...

FWIW, I want to be as optimistic about the X1 as well, and have contacted Eric in the past. However, looking at the past delivery history of different computers, I have my doubts which I hope will be wrong in April.

dgschott · 1st February 2007, 06:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Sure, I understand that we are just discussing...

FWIW, I want to be as optimistic about the X1 as well, and have contacted Eric in the past. However, looking at the past delivery history of different computers, I have my doubts which I hope will be wrong in April.

Maybe the problem is that we keep contacting Eric and other manufacturers which adds at least a year on the expected date! lol. I know Eric has test units out there already, and he's sounding pretty confident. I just asked him to put me on the list.... Anyone want to buy an HS Explorer???? ;-)

decoweenie · 1st February 2007, 06:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by dgschott)

Maybe the problem is that we keep contacting Eric and other manufacturers which adds at least a year on the expected date!

Nah, that can't be the problem since he hasn't answered the email I sent almost 2 weeks ago...

***jradomski*** · 1st February 2007, 06:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

That doesn't compute. Kees licenses RGBM for GAP, and AFAIK, he can't use it outside of GAP. Kees will clear it up...

at the moment this is a point of contention between Bruce and Kees.. The "license" agreement that kees signed had no such limitations (it has to be the worse "licensing" agreement I have ever heard - I have had NDAs that were more clearly written) although bruce feels it does.. There is also an email that was sent to kees by Bruce several years ago that contradicts bruce's current sentiments..

I guess we will see what happens soon enough.. Kees is being too nice... I know I would have been in court already...

silent running · 1st February 2007, 07:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

at the moment this is a point of contention between Bruce and Kees.. The "license" agreement that kees signed had no such limitations (it has to be the worse "licensing" agreement I have ever heard - I have had NDAs that were more clearly written) although bruce feels it does.. There is also an email that was sent to kees by Bruce several years ago that contradicts bruce's current sentiments..

I guess we will see what happens soon enough.. Kees is being too nice... I know I would have been in court already...

Sounds bad Joe. Any idea how much better/worse BW's relationship is with HE? When might we be able to get an RGBM air/nitrox dil code update for the HE? I've got the NAUI air dil tables, guess I'll have to seetle for the conservative HE Buhlman fix for now...

***jradomski*** · 1st February 2007, 07:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Sounds bad Joe. Any idea how much better/worse BW's relationship is with HE? When might we be able to get an RGBM air/nitrox dil code update for the HE? I've got the NAUI air dil tables, guess I'll have to seetle for the conservative HE Buhlman fix for now...

Not sure how the relationship is, bruce didnt give HE the 2nd generation code til 2006! I did speak to Gene about his license agreement and he said his specifically is only for a commercial dive meter..

Gene is working on converting the code.. Its alot of work,but I think it will be done..

1st February 2007, 04:37	#11 (permalink)
dgschott Liquid Productions, LLC Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 115	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Sorry for the misunderstanding. The HS Explorer runs Bruce's 1st version RGBM code. The X1 will run a true VPM with variations switchable on the fly. I haven't spoken with Kees for a while. He was planning on writing a program for the X1 using GAP (RGBM) software the last time we spoke (a few months ago). It's my understanding that it can be done. I emailed Eric Fattah at Liquivision, and he told me that Bruce Weinke has declined to allow RGBM to run on the X1, much to everyone's disappointment. The X1 release is planned for mid to late April. __________________ David Schott Liquid Productions, LLC
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1st February 2007, 05:42	#12 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by dgschott) The X1 will run a true VPM with variations switchable on the fly. The amount of computation requirement between RGBM and VPM are supposedly similar, so we'll see... Quote: I haven't spoken with Kees for a while. He was planning on writing a program for the X1 using GAP (RGBM) software the last time we spoke (a few months ago). It's my understanding that it can be done. That doesn't compute. Kees licenses RGBM for GAP, and AFAIK, he can't use it outside of GAP. Kees will clear it up... Quote: I emailed Eric Fattah at Liquivision, and he told me that Bruce Weinke has declined to allow RGBM to run on the X1, much to everyone's disappointment. Probably has to do with licensing fee and/or computing requirements... Quote: The X1 release is planned for mid to late April. It would be nice if that happens, but personally, I won't hold my breath... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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1st February 2007, 05:52	#13 (permalink)
dgschott Liquid Productions, LLC Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 115	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) The amount of computation requirement between RGBM and VPM are supposedly similar, so we'll see... That doesn't compute. Kees licenses RGBM for GAP, and AFAIK, he can't use it outside of GAP. Kees will clear it up... Probably has to do with licensing fee and/or computing requirements... It would be nice if that happens, but personally, I won't hold my breath... Just telling you all the info I get.... I'm looking forward to the X1, but did you notice I didn't specify a year? lol __________________ David Schott Liquid Productions, LLC
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1st February 2007, 06:12	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by dgschott) Just telling you all the info I get.... I'm looking forward to the X1, but did you notice I didn't specify a year? lol Sure, I understand that we are just discussing... FWIW, I want to be as optimistic about the X1 as well, and have contacted Eric in the past. However, looking at the past delivery history of different computers, I have my doubts which I hope will be wrong in April. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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1st February 2007, 06:17	#15 (permalink)
dgschott Liquid Productions, LLC Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 115	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Sure, I understand that we are just discussing... FWIW, I want to be as optimistic about the X1 as well, and have contacted Eric in the past. However, looking at the past delivery history of different computers, I have my doubts which I hope will be wrong in April. Maybe the problem is that we keep contacting Eric and other manufacturers which adds at least a year on the expected date! lol. I know Eric has test units out there already, and he's sounding pretty confident. I just asked him to put me on the list.... Anyone want to buy an HS Explorer???? ;-) __________________ David Schott Liquid Productions, LLC
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1st February 2007, 06:25	#16 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by dgschott) Maybe the problem is that we keep contacting Eric and other manufacturers which adds at least a year on the expected date! Nah, that can't be the problem since he hasn't answered the email I sent almost 2 weeks ago... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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1st February 2007, 06:25	#17 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,871	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) That doesn't compute. Kees licenses RGBM for GAP, and AFAIK, he can't use it outside of GAP. Kees will clear it up... at the moment this is a point of contention between Bruce and Kees.. The "license" agreement that kees signed had no such limitations (it has to be the worse "licensing" agreement I have ever heard - I have had NDAs that were more clearly written) although bruce feels it does.. There is also an email that was sent to kees by Bruce several years ago that contradicts bruce's current sentiments.. I guess we will see what happens soon enough.. Kees is being too nice... I know I would have been in court already... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,810	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) at the moment this is a point of contention between Bruce and Kees.. The "license" agreement that kees signed had no such limitations (it has to be the worse "licensing" agreement I have ever heard - I have had NDAs that were more clearly written) although bruce feels it does.. There is also an email that was sent to kees by Bruce several years ago that contradicts bruce's current sentiments.. I guess we will see what happens soon enough.. Kees is being too nice... I know I would have been in court already... Sounds bad Joe. Any idea how much better/worse BW's relationship is with HE? When might we be able to get an RGBM air/nitrox dil code update for the HE? I've got the NAUI air dil tables, guess I'll have to seetle for the conservative HE Buhlman fix for now...
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1st February 2007, 07:45	#19 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,871	Re: Buhlmann vs. RGBM Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Sounds bad Joe. Any idea how much better/worse BW's relationship is with HE? When might we be able to get an RGBM air/nitrox dil code update for the HE? I've got the NAUI air dil tables, guess I'll have to seetle for the conservative HE Buhlman fix for now... Not sure how the relationship is, bruce didnt give HE the 2nd generation code til 2006! I did speak to Gene about his license agreement and he said his specifically is only for a commercial dive meter.. Gene is working on converting the code.. Its alot of work,but I think it will be done.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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