Gradiant Factors / the VR3 and an explanation

Mark Chase · 25th June 2005, 09:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

The problem you will find is that the VR3 will penalize you for staying at depth, so you will have to play with your settings and conservatism.. Your stops at depth should help reduce the shallows but this does not happen in practice on the VR3..

Errrrrr this is exactly what my VR3 does. I have never had it extend my shallow stops if I add deep stops (which I do every dive) and it always credits me for deep stops by reducing the shallow stop time.

Generally if the VR3 is telling me to go from a deep pile stop to a much shallower stop I say sod that and add a super slow 3m/min ascent or more stops. The VR3 will reduce the next stop time and often deletes it completely. On look ahead I have seen a 45min at 6m stop reduce to 30mins by adding slow ascents and deep stops.

ATB

Mark Chase

dive2dive2000 · 27th June 2005, 04:50

Rumor has it that VPM/B should be available soon for the VR3.

Does any one have any info????

Martin

jhaaja · 27th June 2005, 05:16

I have asked that from Delta-P and the answer was in late June. Actually now is quite late June

The software has been in testing with some divers (not me).

I am very interested in it also, because in my OC days I dived mainly VPM profiles.

JH
Finland

bubblefree · 27th June 2005, 06:40

I spoke to someone last week and it is now being quoted as late july and the computer has to be sent back to them, to have the VPM code installed.

Barrie Law · 27th June 2005, 07:49

The latest info I have from Delta P is the VPM-B will be available from August 2005 and will require your Vr3 being returned to them for the upgrade.
The cost will depend on how old your Vr3 is and if you need to get a new board fitted to enable VPM-B, later units will just require the software.
New units will be available with VPM-B as an option when ordered and will add about 250 stg to the cost of the Vr3.

Cheers

***EBT*** · 27th June 2005, 11:32

Barrie,

Am I right in thinking that a trimix/CCR/VPMB unit would be running at aroun 8-900 retail???

Andy M · 27th June 2005, 11:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel)

Am I right in thinking that a trimix/CCR/VPMB unit would be running at aroun 8-900 retail???

Jeez. I think the VPM B upgrade for new VR3s should be free or at least for a handling charge. If they are going to be charging that money then they are going to price themselves out of a market...

Barrie Law · 27th June 2005, 13:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel)

Barrie,

Am I right in thinking that a trimix/CCR/VPMB unit would be running at aroun 8-900 retail???

Currently a Vr3 C4 CCR/Trimix is about 660 stg - 990 euro including screenguard and postage the VPM-B will be much like the colour screen option is at the moment it can be added to new or existing Vr3's for about 193 stg - 290 euro, I believe the VPM-B will be around the 250 stg - 375 euro and maybe a bit more if you have an older version that will require a new board to use the VPM-B.
So the Vr3 C4 CCR/Trimix could end up around 910 stg - 1365 euro with the VPM-B.

Cheers

Andy Del · 27th June 2005, 20:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law)

New units will be available with VPM-B as an option when ordered and will add about 250 stg to the cost of the Vr3.

Geeze Louise!

So much for supporting their customer base.

If they are going to charge this much, how about a manual that one can understand?

Maybe I just need my early morning coffee.

25th June 2005, 09:31	#21 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,562	Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) The problem you will find is that the VR3 will penalize you for staying at depth, so you will have to play with your settings and conservatism.. Your stops at depth should help reduce the shallows but this does not happen in practice on the VR3.. Errrrrr this is exactly what my VR3 does. I have never had it extend my shallow stops if I add deep stops (which I do every dive) and it always credits me for deep stops by reducing the shallow stop time. Generally if the VR3 is telling me to go from a deep pile stop to a much shallower stop I say sod that and add a super slow 3m/min ascent or more stops. The VR3 will reduce the next stop time and often deletes it completely. On look ahead I have seen a 45min at 6m stop reduce to 30mins by adding slow ascents and deep stops. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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27th June 2005, 04:50	#22 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 788	Vpm/b Rumor has it that VPM/B should be available soon for the VR3. Does any one have any info???? Martin
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27th June 2005, 05:16	#23 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	I have asked that from Delta-P and the answer was in late June. Actually now is quite late June The software has been in testing with some divers (not me). I am very interested in it also, because in my OC days I dived mainly VPM profiles. JH Finland
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27th June 2005, 06:40	#24 (permalink)
bubblefree New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Cayman Posts: 40	I spoke to someone last week and it is now being quoted as late july and the computer has to be sent back to them, to have the VPM code installed.
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27th June 2005, 07:49	#25 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Vpm-b The latest info I have from Delta P is the VPM-B will be available from August 2005 and will require your Vr3 being returned to them for the upgrade. The cost will depend on how old your Vr3 is and if you need to get a new board fitted to enable VPM-B, later units will just require the software. New units will be available with VPM-B as an option when ordered and will add about 250 stg to the cost of the Vr3. Cheers __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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27th June 2005, 11:32	#26 (permalink)
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27th June 2005, 11:51	#27 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 415	Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel) Am I right in thinking that a trimix/CCR/VPMB unit would be running at aroun 8-900 retail??? Jeez. I think the VPM B upgrade for new VR3s should be free or at least for a handling charge. If they are going to be charging that money then they are going to price themselves out of a market... __________________ Know your PO2 at all times
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27th June 2005, 13:06	#28 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 726	Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel) Barrie, Am I right in thinking that a trimix/CCR/VPMB unit would be running at aroun 8-900 retail??? Currently a Vr3 C4 CCR/Trimix is about 660 stg - 990 euro including screenguard and postage the VPM-B will be much like the colour screen option is at the moment it can be added to new or existing Vr3's for about 193 stg - 290 euro, I believe the VPM-B will be around the 250 stg - 375 euro and maybe a bit more if you have an older version that will require a new board to use the VPM-B. So the Vr3 C4 CCR/Trimix could end up around 910 stg - 1365 euro with the VPM-B. Cheers __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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27th June 2005, 20:22	#29 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 413	Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law) New units will be available with VPM-B as an option when ordered and will add about 250 stg to the cost of the Vr3. Geeze Louise! So much for supporting their customer base. If they are going to charge this much, how about a manual that one can understand? Maybe I just need my early morning coffee. __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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