Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles

Dawktah · 25th October 2006, 01:32

From thread Re: Bailout Gases for long 60 metre dives

Hello!

I am a newbie reading this thread with curiosity. I am considering switching to CCR. The course requires that you provide bailout bottles. Which size should I purchase if in the future I may dive CCR-deco? Course requires one 20-30cf and one 30-40cf. This thread contains many sizes. My current plan is to dive CCR-no stop. Deepest depth I'll encounter is 100 fsw, unless I travel. In the distant future I will gradually move to deeper depths while still taking photos. Can I buy a 6cf with argon regulator for drysuit inflation but use oxygen clean air? There isn't any Argon available where I dive. I would like to have gear if I can.

I have my own boat and will most likely have a buddy diving OC while diving max. depth of 100 fsw. Can you hang your bailout on your descent line and carry a smaller bailout (e.g. 13cf) to get to the larger bailout you hung if diving solo?? I am using CCR for photography and I am just wondering how you carry all the bailout bottles and a camera? Most importantly dive reef friendly and don't damage reef trying to take photos with a deco bottle(s)?

My cameras housing is rated to 200 feet. With room for "Murphy" my max. depth will be 180 feet max. Goal to photograph U-Boat, anyone know of one this shallow?

--Chris

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 25th October 2006, 01:54

I haven't checked agency standards, but I would be surprised to find out that you would have a problem with any agency if you carried a 40 across the board instead of a 20-30 for one course and then a 30-40 for another. I think a 40 rides better than a 30 and is just a little bigger. So, I would at least get a 40.

OTOH, if I were into photo, that could be distracting and could lead to separation. I would be prepared to dive as if solo, and I would carry enough gas to surface including deco for the occasion. YMMV.

Nemo1957 · 25th October 2006, 10:43

I dive CCR and carry a camera on most dives most deeper than your planned max. depth.

Some short answers to your questions:
Yes you can put air in your argon bottle for drysuit inflation, just dont plan on breathing it.

A 30 is likely a fine size bailout for dives < 100' but carry it, you will have enough to do if you have to bailout without having to worry about finding a staged bottle in open water.

As far as carrying your camera with a stage bottle I dont find it a problem with the stage on my left side I hang my camera on a expandable lanyard on my right side. If I have 2 stages the camera is more in the middle of my body but I would side mount the stages then. You are a ways from this so dont worry about it yet.

Plan on doing 20+ dive with your CCR before you bring your camera back in the water.

Dawktah · 26th October 2006, 01:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

I haven't checked agency standards, but I would be surprised to find out that you would have a problem with any agency if you carried a 40 across the board instead of a 20-30 for one course and then a 30-40 for another. I think a 40 rides better than a 30 and is just a little bigger. So, I would at least get a 40.

OTOH, if I were into photo, that could be distracting and could lead to separation. I would be prepared to dive as if solo, and I would carry enough gas to surface including deco for the occasion. YMMV.

Steel or Aluminum?

jkaterenchuk · 26th October 2006, 02:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawktah)

From thread Re: Bailout Gases for long 60 metre dives

My cameras housing is rated to 200 feet. With room for "Murphy" my max. depth will be 180 feet max. Goal to photograph U-Boat, anyone know of one this shallow?

--Chris

Check out this link. Its off NC coast and within the depth you want.

U352 Gallery

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 26th October 2006, 05:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawktah)

Steel or Aluminum?

Stirring the pot a bit are we?

It depends on who you ask. I am going to be diving with a buddy this coming week that carries steels. He insists that this is the only way to keep the tails from floating up (other than adding a weight to an aluminum).

I am sidemounting aluminum 40s. They ride with the tops of the tanks very slightly lower than the tails. However, they are well within the slip stream of my shoulder.

We are going to trade tanks during the course of some drills. Let's see what happens after the fun begins.

Dawktah · 26th October 2006, 05:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

Stirring the pot a bit are we?

It depends on who you ask. I am going to be diving with a buddy this coming week that carries steels. He insists that this is the only way to keep the tails from floating up (other than adding a weight to an aluminum).

I am sidemounting aluminum 40s. They ride with the tops of the tanks very slightly lower than the tails. However, they are well within the slip stream of my shoulder.

We are going to trade tanks during the course of some drills. Let's see what happens after the fun begins.

Nah! That would be bringing up this Carbon Fiber tank I heard about

UKSteve · 26th October 2006, 05:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawktah)

Steel or Aluminum?

I dive in a dry suit. When I was on Open circuit I always used 7 litre 232 bar steel stages side slung (clips on hip and shoulder).

Recently I have switched to Al 80s (for Mod 3 / Trimix diving). I was initially concerned with diving with a dustbin (trash can) on eaither hip but can honestly say I do not notice them at all...and their floatiness is not an issue at all when slung hip and shoulder. Actually it helps to keep the tail of the tank out of the way for rapid access to inboard tank valves on my Inspo.

So...personnally I would recommend the Al 40 for your early days - with option of larger Al. stages for later in life.

Regards

Steve

seppu · 5th November 2006, 19:47

i bought in the beginning stubid things (steel,carbon and 4-7 liter).today i use 80 cu ali only.
sepp

Mark Chase · 6th November 2006, 07:36

For dives up to 50m I use two 7ltr Steel. They are Faber light weights which are prety standard over here. They will hank neutrol with 100 bar of Nitrox in and sink slightly full. I dont find them an isue and they are cheep. With mix in they flaot at higher presures. I am running 21/35 and 50%.

The folowing picks were in fresh water in my old 0C rig

Handing off a steel 7 shouldent be a problem

Here you can clearley read the gauge

100 bar 32% on the left, full tin of 80 on the right.

With 10ltrs on deep dives I found that a 10of 50% was much heavier than the 10 of 18/45. So to balance the rig i run a ali 80 of 50% and a 10 of 18/45this works well.

ATB

Mark Chase

25th October 2006, 01:32	#1 (permalink)
Dawktah New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 38	Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles From thread Re: Bailout Gases for long 60 metre dives Hello! I am a newbie reading this thread with curiosity. I am considering switching to CCR. The course requires that you provide bailout bottles. Which size should I purchase if in the future I may dive CCR-deco? Course requires one 20-30cf and one 30-40cf. This thread contains many sizes. My current plan is to dive CCR-no stop. Deepest depth I'll encounter is 100 fsw, unless I travel. In the distant future I will gradually move to deeper depths while still taking photos. Can I buy a 6cf with argon regulator for drysuit inflation but use oxygen clean air? There isn't any Argon available where I dive. I would like to have gear if I can. I have my own boat and will most likely have a buddy diving OC while diving max. depth of 100 fsw. Can you hang your bailout on your descent line and carry a smaller bailout (e.g. 13cf) to get to the larger bailout you hung if diving solo?? I am using CCR for photography and I am just wondering how you carry all the bailout bottles and a camera? Most importantly dive reef friendly and don't damage reef trying to take photos with a deco bottle(s)? My cameras housing is rated to 200 feet. With room for "Murphy" my max. depth will be 180 feet max. Goal to photograph U-Boat, anyone know of one this shallow? --Chris Last edited by Dawktah : 25th October 2006 at 01:55.
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25th October 2006, 01:54	#2 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,044	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles I haven't checked agency standards, but I would be surprised to find out that you would have a problem with any agency if you carried a 40 across the board instead of a 20-30 for one course and then a 30-40 for another. I think a 40 rides better than a 30 and is just a little bigger. So, I would at least get a 40. OTOH, if I were into photo, that could be distracting and could lead to separation. I would be prepared to dive as if solo, and I would carry enough gas to surface including deco for the occasion. YMMV. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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25th October 2006, 10:43	#3 (permalink)
Nemo1957 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Posts: 77	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles I dive CCR and carry a camera on most dives most deeper than your planned max. depth. Some short answers to your questions: Yes you can put air in your argon bottle for drysuit inflation, just dont plan on breathing it. A 30 is likely a fine size bailout for dives < 100' but carry it, you will have enough to do if you have to bailout without having to worry about finding a staged bottle in open water. As far as carrying your camera with a stage bottle I dont find it a problem with the stage on my left side I hang my camera on a expandable lanyard on my right side. If I have 2 stages the camera is more in the middle of my body but I would side mount the stages then. You are a ways from this so dont worry about it yet. Plan on doing 20+ dive with your CCR before you bring your camera back in the water.
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26th October 2006, 01:48	#4 (permalink)
Dawktah New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 38	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) I haven't checked agency standards, but I would be surprised to find out that you would have a problem with any agency if you carried a 40 across the board instead of a 20-30 for one course and then a 30-40 for another. I think a 40 rides better than a 30 and is just a little bigger. So, I would at least get a 40. OTOH, if I were into photo, that could be distracting and could lead to separation. I would be prepared to dive as if solo, and I would carry enough gas to surface including deco for the occasion. YMMV. Steel or Aluminum?
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26th October 2006, 02:05	#5 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 744	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawktah) From thread Re: Bailout Gases for long 60 metre dives My cameras housing is rated to 200 feet. With room for "Murphy" my max. depth will be 180 feet max. Goal to photograph U-Boat, anyone know of one this shallow? --Chris Check out this link. Its off NC coast and within the depth you want. U352 Gallery
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26th October 2006, 05:40	#6 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,044	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawktah) Steel or Aluminum? Stirring the pot a bit are we? It depends on who you ask. I am going to be diving with a buddy this coming week that carries steels. He insists that this is the only way to keep the tails from floating up (other than adding a weight to an aluminum). I am sidemounting aluminum 40s. They ride with the tops of the tanks very slightly lower than the tails. However, they are well within the slip stream of my shoulder. We are going to trade tanks during the course of some drills. Let's see what happens after the fun begins. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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26th October 2006, 05:55	#7 (permalink)
Dawktah New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 38	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) Stirring the pot a bit are we? It depends on who you ask. I am going to be diving with a buddy this coming week that carries steels. He insists that this is the only way to keep the tails from floating up (other than adding a weight to an aluminum). I am sidemounting aluminum 40s. They ride with the tops of the tanks very slightly lower than the tails. However, they are well within the slip stream of my shoulder. We are going to trade tanks during the course of some drills. Let's see what happens after the fun begins. Nah! That would be bringing up this Carbon Fiber tank I heard about
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26th October 2006, 05:59	#8 (permalink)
UKSteve Still a novice... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 572	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawktah) Steel or Aluminum? I dive in a dry suit. When I was on Open circuit I always used 7 litre 232 bar steel stages side slung (clips on hip and shoulder). Recently I have switched to Al 80s (for Mod 3 / Trimix diving). I was initially concerned with diving with a dustbin (trash can) on eaither hip but can honestly say I do not notice them at all...and their floatiness is not an issue at all when slung hip and shoulder. Actually it helps to keep the tail of the tank out of the way for rapid access to inboard tank valves on my Inspo. So...personnally I would recommend the Al 40 for your early days - with option of larger Al. stages for later in life. Regards Steve
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5th November 2006, 19:47	#9 (permalink)
seppu i ko nix dafüa Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bayern Posts: 189	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles i bought in the beginning stubid things (steel,carbon and 4-7 liter).today i use 80 cu ali only. sepp
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6th November 2006, 07:36	#10 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,539	Re: Newbie and buying stage/bailout bottles For dives up to 50m I use two 7ltr Steel. They are Faber light weights which are prety standard over here. They will hank neutrol with 100 bar of Nitrox in and sink slightly full. I dont find them an isue and they are cheep. With mix in they flaot at higher presures. I am running 21/35 and 50%. The folowing picks were in fresh water in my old 0C rig Handing off a steel 7 shouldent be a problem Here you can clearley read the gauge 100 bar 32% on the left, full tin of 80 on the right. With 10ltrs on deep dives I found that a 10of 50% was much heavier than the 10 of 18/45. So to balance the rig i run a ali 80 of 50% and a 10 of 18/45this works well. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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