Which Bailout strategy.

***schford*** · 21st May 2005, 10:18

Dear all,

As per the other thread and the suggestion from Mart - what is your bailout strategy and why?

The answers above were limited to 100 characters but I think I have covered the options.

I do realise that your bailout choice will vary depending on dive profile / depth etc, but could you go for your typical deco dive and then perhaps explain your rational in your reply.

Cheers

Stuart

cedricverdier · 21st May 2005, 10:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Dear all,

As per the other thread and the suggestion from Mart - what is your bailout strategy and why?

The answers above were limited to 100 characters but I think I have covered the options.

I do realise that your bailout choice will vary depending on dive profile / depth etc, but could you go for your typical deco dive and then perhaps explain your rational in your reply.

Cheers

Stuart

Hi,

For my own dives or when teaching CCR courses, I operate in team bailout mode and my buddy and I carry enough bailout between us (with a safety margin).

Obviously, when solo diving, I carry everything with me. For cave diving or ocean/wreck diving, I carry enough OC gas to safely reach the surface with all my deco done. For deep Trimix dives, that could mean a lot of gas, and I definitely consider a bail-out rebreather as a reasonable option, but so far no model on the market really matches my needs.

Cheers

Mark Chase · 21st May 2005, 12:36

At least enough bailout with me to carry out a reduced deco profile down to 100/100GF plus a drop tank.

On a good day I should be able to add a fair bit of padding to my plan as its bassed on a SAC 50% above my normal deco breathing rate.

ATB

Mark Chase

Pawel · 21st May 2005, 12:48

The Bazooka has all the OC bailout. I have none

Cheers,

Pawel

***Decodiver*** · 21st May 2005, 13:54

Working on the theory that a full loop flood should happen early in the dive (fingers crossed)......

I carry enough bailout to go firstly SCR, then OC ascent or return to staged cylinders on the shot, then drop tank.

It is physically impossible for me to carry enough bailout to ascend and do all my deco obligations on OC.

A fact I accepted years ago.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Robert Cook · 23rd May 2005, 07:33

I carry enough bailout for my full deco for now. Eventually, I'll be doing dives that require team or staged deco tanks, but I'm not up to this stage yet,

Thanks,
Robert

Chris · 23rd May 2005, 23:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pawel)

The Bazooka has all the OC bailout. I have none

Cheers,

Pawel

Pawel
What are you talking about all you got to do is stand up

Cheers
Chris

***caveseeker7*** · 24th May 2005, 05:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris)

Pawel
What are you talking about all you got to do is stand up

He's talking about his Spare Air on a 10m deep dive.

londonsean69 · 24th May 2005, 07:48

Back on topic, I dive my EDO in a couple of different configs, depending on the dive. Basically, on anything below 30m, or with signifigant deco, I dive with a stage of bottom mix plugged in, and save the backgas for wing inflation and OC bailout (thanks to my KISS DSV

) On a total loop failure, I will have full twin 7's to get me to my gas switch.

On shallower stuff, I just dive with both backgas cylinders plugged in. In the event of a total loop failure, right at the end of the dive, I would still have OC available from what is left in the twin 7's, which will be more than enough to get me out safely.

Cheers

Mark Chase · 24th May 2005, 08:18

At $82,000 for the housing Ill be sticking to my Ikalite I think.

ATB

Mark Chase

21st May 2005, 10:18	#1 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,564	Which Bailout strategy. Dear all, As per the other thread and the suggestion from Mart - what is your bailout strategy and why? The answers above were limited to 100 characters but I think I have covered the options. I do realise that your bailout choice will vary depending on dive profile / depth etc, but could you go for your typical deco dive and then perhaps explain your rational in your reply. Cheers Stuart
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21st May 2005, 10:51	#2 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 497	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Dear all, As per the other thread and the suggestion from Mart - what is your bailout strategy and why? The answers above were limited to 100 characters but I think I have covered the options. I do realise that your bailout choice will vary depending on dive profile / depth etc, but could you go for your typical deco dive and then perhaps explain your rational in your reply. Cheers Stuart Hi, For my own dives or when teaching CCR courses, I operate in team bailout mode and my buddy and I carry enough bailout between us (with a safety margin). Obviously, when solo diving, I carry everything with me. For cave diving or ocean/wreck diving, I carry enough OC gas to safely reach the surface with all my deco done. For deep Trimix dives, that could mean a lot of gas, and I definitely consider a bail-out rebreather as a reasonable option, but so far no model on the market really matches my needs. Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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21st May 2005, 12:36	#3 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	At least enough bailout with me to carry out a reduced deco profile down to 100/100GF plus a drop tank. On a good day I should be able to add a fair bit of padding to my plan as its bassed on a SAC 50% above my normal deco breathing rate. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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21st May 2005, 12:48	#4 (permalink)
Pawel New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 68	The Bazooka has all the OC bailout. I have none Cheers, Pawel
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21st May 2005, 13:54	#5 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,181	Working on the theory that a full loop flood should happen early in the dive (fingers crossed)...... I carry enough bailout to go firstly SCR, then OC ascent or return to staged cylinders on the shot, then drop tank. It is physically impossible for me to carry enough bailout to ascend and do all my deco obligations on OC. A fact I accepted years ago. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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23rd May 2005, 07:33	#6 (permalink)
Robert Cook Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 107	I carry enough bailout for my full deco for now. Eventually, I'll be doing dives that require team or staged deco tanks, but I'm not up to this stage yet, Thanks, Robert __________________ Do not underestimate the power of the dark side
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23rd May 2005, 23:35	#7 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 609	Quote: (Originally Posted by Pawel) The Bazooka has all the OC bailout. I have none Cheers, Pawel Pawel What are you talking about all you got to do is stand up Cheers Chris __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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24th May 2005, 05:31	#8 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,456	Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris) Pawel What are you talking about all you got to do is stand up He's talking about his Spare Air on a 10m deep dive. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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24th May 2005, 07:48	#9 (permalink)
londonsean69 Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sunny Lanzaote Posts: 49	Back on topic, I dive my EDO in a couple of different configs, depending on the dive. Basically, on anything below 30m, or with signifigant deco, I dive with a stage of bottom mix plugged in, and save the backgas for wing inflation and OC bailout (thanks to my KISS DSV ) On a total loop failure, I will have full twin 7's to get me to my gas switch. On shallower stuff, I just dive with both backgas cylinders plugged in. In the event of a total loop failure, right at the end of the dive, I would still have OC available from what is left in the twin 7's, which will be more than enough to get me out safely. Cheers __________________ __________________________________ Sean Arrowsmith ---------------------------------- From birth, man carries the weight of gravity on his shoulders. He is bolted to earth. But man has only to sink beneath the surface and he is free. - Jacques Cousteau
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24th May 2005, 08:18	#10 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	At $82,000 for the housing Ill be sticking to my Ikalite I think. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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