Which Deco Software ??

***jradomski*** · 25th January 2006, 08:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Simon Ciantar)

Finally - if Vr3 is so aggressive or and maybe even dangerous ??!

- How Come its so popular?? [ Im not trying to defend or attack anyone here just genuinly interested as someone who has been trusting his life on one for the past three years !]

Maybe running a poll here would be a good idea of what people use here and what sort of dives they are carrying out with their computers .......just a thought

Simon

the vr3 uses a bend and mend model like has been used for decades... BTW there are lots of medical experts in the UK that have ripped the vr3..

Don't run it at zero conservatism..

Its popular because for an intergated He computer there are only 2 choices the Explorer and the Vr3..

If you wanbt to do po2 and have full switching control again only the explorer and vr3..

If you dont care about manual switching you now can add the Cochran, if you dont need po2 then you can add the nitek He.. There arent lots of choices...

From personal experience, when i have tried to run the vr3 at 0% I felt like crap afterwards.. If I follow an RGBM or even a 10/100 GF profile, I get out of the water alot faster thhan a proplanner/vr3 profile and feel great.. The shape of the deco cureve makes all the difference...

Alot of people I know that use the VR3 add in a very slow ascent to compensate for the lack of regular deep stops.

**RichClark** · 25th January 2006, 08:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

Alot of people I know that use the VR3 add in a very slow ascent to compensate for the lack of regular deep stops.

I'm fairly certian this is how most of us use our VR3's. The VR3 will credit you with the slow ascent.

Cheers

Rich

jacquesm · 29th January 2006, 14:08

There is another source for VPM or VPM-B computations : http://www.hlplanner.com/default.htm
Its main drawback ? Well, it happens to be free.

The basic version don't deal specifically with CC deco, the upgrade is on the working table and was to get out a couple of weeks ago

. Nevermind, you can already use this one.

Simon Ciantar · 29th January 2006, 21:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba)

Simon,

Take a look at NAUTILUS --- Here is a snapshot of the dives you illustrated using the Hamilton-Kenyon Bubble Model. You will see the shape is nice and smooth and the shallow stops are reasonable.

Remember that Pro Planner was using a classic Buhlman model that has a relatively shallow first stop and then fairly long "tails" at the 6 and 3 msw range. For the air diluent dive the total time is about the same but the shape on the bubble model is much cleaner. For the trimix diluent dive the bubble model cleans up the shape with deeper ceiling and then shortens the shallow stops.

Register for a DEMO version and play with it yourself. It is extremely CCR friendly.

Cheers

Thks mate , however the free version only allows me to plan dives up to 20 mtrs !! not much help im afraid ! - do you use it ? how does it compare with other software ?

Thks to all for feedback

Janos · 29th January 2006, 21:48

On a slightly different note, but Woz pointed me in the direction of JPlan which is a VPM implementation for mobile phones.

You can get a limited version for free, and registration costs £20. I wish I'd had this last year when I was in Gozo and planning a slightly deeper dive than usual, as I didn't have my laptop with me (f'in weight allowances)

Sadly it's only OC, not CCR though.

Janos

25th January 2006, 08:11	#11 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,900	Re: Which Deco Software ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by Simon Ciantar) Finally - if Vr3 is so aggressive or and maybe even dangerous ??! - How Come its so popular?? *[ Im not trying to defend or attack anyone here just genuinly interested as someone who has been trusting his life on one for the past three years !]* Maybe running a poll here would be a good idea of what people use here and what sort of dives they are carrying out with their computers .......just a thought Simon the vr3 uses a bend and mend model like has been used for decades... BTW there are lots of medical experts in the UK that have ripped the vr3.. Don't run it at zero conservatism.. Its popular because for an intergated He computer there are only 2 choices the Explorer and the Vr3.. If you wanbt to do po2 and have full switching control again only the explorer and vr3.. If you dont care about manual switching you now can add the Cochran, if you dont need po2 then you can add the nitek He.. There arent lots of choices... From personal experience, when i have tried to run the vr3 at 0% I felt like crap afterwards.. If I follow an RGBM or even a 10/100 GF profile, I get out of the water alot faster thhan a proplanner/vr3 profile and feel great.. The shape of the deco cureve makes all the difference... Alot of people I know that use the VR3 add in a very slow ascent to compensate for the lack of regular deep stops. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 25th January 2006 at 08:16.
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RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 772	Re: Which Deco Software ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) Alot of people I know that use the VR3 add in a very slow ascent to compensate for the lack of regular deep stops. I'm fairly certian this is how most of us use our VR3's. The VR3 will credit you with the slow ascent. Cheers Rich __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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29th January 2006, 14:08	#13 (permalink)
jacquesm New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Meudon (near Paris) Posts: 12	Which Deco : VPM. Which Software ?? There is another source for VPM or VPM-B computations : http://www.hlplanner.com/default.htm Its main drawback ? Well, it happens to be free. The basic version don't deal specifically with CC deco, the upgrade is on the working table and was to get out a couple of weeks ago . Nevermind, you can already use this one. __________________ See you soon under surface Jacques
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29th January 2006, 21:34	#14 (permalink)
Simon Ciantar New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 38	Re: Which Deco Software ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba) Simon, Take a look at NAUTILUS --- Here is a snapshot of the dives you illustrated using the Hamilton-Kenyon Bubble Model. You will see the shape is nice and smooth and the shallow stops are reasonable. Remember that Pro Planner was using a classic Buhlman model that has a relatively shallow first stop and then fairly long "tails" at the 6 and 3 msw range. For the air diluent dive the total time is about the same but the shape on the bubble model is much cleaner. For the trimix diluent dive the bubble model cleans up the shape with deeper ceiling and then shortens the shallow stops. Register for a DEMO version and play with it yourself. It is extremely CCR friendly. Cheers Thks mate , however the free version only allows me to plan dives up to 20 mtrs !! not much help im afraid ! - do you use it ? how does it compare with other software ? Thks to all for feedback
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29th January 2006, 21:48	#15 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 594	Re: Which Deco Software ?? On a slightly different note, but Woz pointed me in the direction of JPlan which is a VPM implementation for mobile phones. You can get a limited version for free, and registration costs £20. I wish I'd had this last year when I was in Gozo and planning a slightly deeper dive than usual, as I didn't have my laptop with me (f'in weight allowances) Sadly it's only OC, not CCR though. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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