Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice

Gilles · 14th June 2007, 14:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by wondersea)

Thanks' Gilles, I read this thread and learn more about this subject.

Thanks' all

Your welcome Antoine, my pleasure.

I'm glad that we lured some real experts, and some important considerations were presented that we omitted in our base assumptions. Sometimes you have to risk being wrong. The price sometimes is a bit of antagonisation, but is a small price to pay for the quality of knowledge gained (in some cases).

Anytime someone provides a wisdom, I click the little green square on the bottom left, and this provides reputation to the contributor.

Dive safe

Mark Chase · 14th June 2007, 15:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Bullsh1t

I have done all the CCR courses that are available MOD1, MOD 2, MOD 3, CCR wreck, CCR cave. (my ccr trimix course actually followed the expedition trimix sylabus that covered lots of interesting extra areas incl planning deco, surface support, bailout ect and actually doing 125m ccr mix dive (but ony dived to 80m due to lack of deep water) The point is I was taught how to plan and execute sub 100m dives on my course

Unlike your hero AM my 1st mix dive was on my CCR mix course my 1st cave dive was on my CCR cave course. I admit its unusual for students to be diving Eagles nest to 90m with their instructors the day after their course finishes but I guess my instructor (who unlike you has actually done cave diving with me and is actually a cave diver) figured in his prof experience, that I was more than up to the challenge (not that it was a challenge)

Before diving sub 150m in a cave I/we (me and the two CCR IT's and cave instructors I was doing it with - who clearly in their prof opinion also believed I was more than up to the challenge) solicited lots of advice from those who had been doing this stuff (no courses exist) from deco experts to divers to hyperbaric doctors.

so I fail to get whatever point you think you have. Or maybe as a non CCR cave instructor, non certified cave diver who has done less sub 90m dives than I have fingers on one hand and someone who has never dived with me - you think you know better than them as to my abilities

what the hell are you talking about? Talking shit is still talking shgit even if you put a little smily face at the end

You need to stop hanging around with AM your starting to make as much sense. But hey at least you have a penis

Still turning off your setpoint controller on ascent to help with your bouyancy? lol!

So would you describe this as a case of pot calling the kettle black? YD Dive Forums & Scuba Community - View Single Post - Trimix Qualifications on YBOD? Should I?

I especially like you doing a 64m dive on air dil - uhuh!

2nd serve

Oh come off it Mike get of the high horse, you know I love your antics M8 but you did your ccr cave course and within months were pushing the limits of a monster cave doing a 180m epic dive.

Nice slow progression into cave diving? Naaaaa sod it lets crack a 200m deep virgin cave.

All credit to you you obviously decided that your present level of knowledge of cave diving was more than adequate probably based more on your vast experience in open water deep diving. So mear weeks after training to do cave diving you thought sod it and did the dive.

Good one, I respect that.

Me? I am well known for saying CCR mix training is bollocks for an OC trained diver, MCCR training id bollocks for an experienced CCR diver, I have dived a hand full of caves with zero training and I dive deep air in the red sea when the idiots wont give me a mix because i am on a Mod 1 cert

I admit that none of it is clever but I felt confident and comfortable doing it but then i don't come out with silly comments like this.

Quote:

I think there is a bad trend for ccr divers to start doing deeper mix dives without proper instruction (on bail out gas planning and optimisation)

ATB

Mark Chase

Mark Chase · 14th June 2007, 15:47

[quote]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

You need to stop hanging around with AM your starting to make as much sense. But hey at least you have a penis

Met her once never dived with her but id like to.

Quote:

Still turning off your setpoint controller on ascent to help with your bouyancy? lol!

No set point controller on a KISS, the Hammer head was automatic and I switched it to 0.7 @ 6m and ran pure 02 or manual set point on the classic which is how i was trained and I think its a good idea.

Soooooo I dont get this at all?

Quote:

So would you describe this as a case of pot calling the kettle black? YD Dive Forums & Scuba Community - View Single Post - Trimix Qualifications on YBOD? Should I?

I especially like you doing a 64m dive on air dil - uhuh!

Id like to see the post of me lecturing someone on being unqualified to dive mix or deep air for thyat matter ??

For future reference:

I dived OC untrained no cert

Dry suit no training no cert #

Twinset no training (mind you it wasent popular then) #

Deep air to 70 no training #

Decompression including multi tank accelerated deco OC No training

Nitrox no cert

Trimix no cert

CCR trimix no cert

Cave no cert #

Wreck penetration no cert. #

MCCR no training no cert #

So if i ever get on my high horse you can quote this thread and ill shut up.

All the ones with a # after them i am still not officially qualified in but I am planning a MCCR course and a cave course within the next 12 months.

ATB

Mark Chase

Drmike · 14th June 2007, 15:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Oh come off it Mike get of the high horse, you know I love your antics M8 but you did your ccr cave course and within months were pushing the limits of a monster cave doing a 180m epic dive.

Wrong. It was over a year later (almost 2) and dozens of deep cave dives before I was that deep. I built my experience up over many increasingly deeper dives.

The point is (and Ill say it slowly so you can understand) I did all the available training and sought the available knowledge for the diving I was doing. So your accusation is incorrect

Quote:

Nice slow progression into cave diving? Naaaaa sod it lets crack a 200m deep virgin cave.

Wrong. Just like AM your full of shit- you dont know anything about what cave dives ive done - only the ones you read about - your making the same incorrect assumptions your sidekick does. I bottomed out both sides eagles nest 95m+ at Sra Keow we did progressively deeper and deeper dives prob something like 50m, 60m, 80m, 95m, 105m, 127m, 150m then back to US for some more deep ones then back to Thailand for a dozen more deep dives culimnating in 191m. So it was over a year after my course and loads of progressively deeper dives before I did the 191m one. In other words a) your wrong and b) your wrong.

Quote:

All credit to you you obviously decided that your present level of knowledge of cave diving was more than adequate probably based more on your vast experience in open water deep diving. So mear weeks after training to do cave diving you thought sod it and did the dive.

yes. and no. Its not rocket science so yes deep wreck diving is aplicable - but as mentioned above your wrong about the build up and the timing.

Funny how a non cave trained non cave diver with no idea about what dives Ive done (other than teh big ones hes read about ) has such the audacity to think hes qualified to judge

Quote:

Good one, I respect that.

I can die happy

Quote:

Me? I am well known for saying CCR mix training is bollocks for an OC trained diver, MCCR training id bollocks for an experienced CCR diver, I have dived a hand full of caves with zero training and I dive deep air in the red sea when the idiots wont give me a mix because i am on a Mod 1 cert

I admit that none of it is clever but I felt confident and comfortable doing it

and I admit none of what I do is clever but I feel confident and comfortable (doing deep cave dives) - but apparently thats a privalage only the great mark chase can enjoy

PS are you AM sock puppet - you sound just like her only less manly :P

Mark Chase · 14th June 2007, 16:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

and I admit none of what I do is clever but I feel confident and comfortable doing deep cave dives - but apparently thats a privalage only the great mark chase can enjoy

If your a reeely good boy I let you have a bit of privalage as well

PPS For future referance, I use smileys ONLY when i am trying to convay the light hearted nature of my post and not to thinly vail abuse or harsh criticisum. It helps when people mis read my posts which judging by your privilage comment you have.

PPPS: I DONT DIVE OR SOCALISE WITH AMMERS.

Frankly I am not in her league.

ATB

Mark Chase

***schford*** · 14th June 2007, 16:13

Guys - why not just swap a couple of PMs now - some times the written word just isn't the best for this stuff as you dont see body inflections speach tone, grins etc .... and am sure if this was over a beer we would have long moved on to the next topic!

Could we park this one and move back on topic?

Drmike · 14th June 2007, 16:26

but
but
he started it

14th June 2007, 14:52	#61 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 762	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice Quote: (Originally Posted by wondersea) Thanks' Gilles, I read this thread and learn more about this subject. Thanks' all Your welcome Antoine, my pleasure. I'm glad that we lured some real experts, and some important considerations were presented that we omitted in our base assumptions. Sometimes you have to risk being wrong. The price sometimes is a bit of antagonisation, but is a small price to pay for the quality of knowledge gained (in some cases). Anytime someone provides a wisdom, I click the little green square on the bottom left, and this provides reputation to the contributor. Dive safe __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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14th June 2007, 15:33	#62 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,694	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Bullsh1t I have done all the CCR courses that are available MOD1, MOD 2, MOD 3, CCR wreck, CCR cave. (my ccr trimix course actually followed the expedition trimix sylabus that covered lots of interesting extra areas incl planning deco, surface support, bailout ect and actually doing 125m ccr mix dive (but ony dived to 80m due to lack of deep water) The point is I was taught how to plan and execute sub 100m dives on my course Unlike your hero AM my 1st mix dive was on my CCR mix course my 1st cave dive was on my CCR cave course. I admit its unusual for students to be diving Eagles nest to 90m with their instructors the day after their course finishes but I guess my instructor (who unlike you has actually done cave diving with me and is actually a cave diver) figured in his prof experience, that I was more than up to the challenge (not that it was a challenge) Before diving sub 150m in a cave I/we (me and the two CCR IT's and cave instructors I was doing it with - who clearly in their prof opinion also believed I was more than up to the challenge) solicited lots of advice from those who had been doing this stuff (no courses exist) from deco experts to divers to hyperbaric doctors. so I fail to get whatever point you think you have. Or maybe as a non CCR cave instructor, non certified cave diver who has done less sub 90m dives than I have fingers on one hand and someone who has never dived with me - you think you know better than them as to my abilities what the hell are you talking about? Talking shit is still talking shgit even if you put a little smily face at the end You need to stop hanging around with AM your starting to make as much sense. But hey at least you have a penis Still turning off your setpoint controller on ascent to help with your bouyancy? lol! So would you describe this as a case of pot calling the kettle black? YD Dive Forums & Scuba Community - View Single Post - Trimix Qualifications on YBOD? Should I? I especially like you doing a 64m dive on air dil - uhuh! 2nd serve Oh come off it Mike get of the high horse, you know I love your antics M8 but you did your ccr cave course and within months were pushing the limits of a monster cave doing a 180m epic dive. Nice slow progression into cave diving? Naaaaa sod it lets crack a 200m deep virgin cave. All credit to you you obviously decided that your present level of knowledge of cave diving was more than adequate probably based more on your vast experience in open water deep diving. So mear weeks after training to do cave diving you thought sod it and did the dive. Good one, I respect that. Me? I am well known for saying CCR mix training is bollocks for an OC trained diver, MCCR training id bollocks for an experienced CCR diver, I have dived a hand full of caves with zero training and I dive deep air in the red sea when the idiots wont give me a mix because i am on a Mod 1 cert I admit that none of it is clever but I felt confident and comfortable doing it but then i don't come out with silly comments like this. Quote: I think there is a bad trend for ccr divers to start doing deeper mix dives without proper instruction (on bail out gas planning and optimisation) ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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14th June 2007, 15:47	#63 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,694	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice [quote] Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) You need to stop hanging around with AM your starting to make as much sense. But hey at least you have a penis Met her once never dived with her but id like to. Quote: Still turning off your setpoint controller on ascent to help with your bouyancy? lol! No set point controller on a KISS, the Hammer head was automatic and I switched it to 0.7 @ 6m and ran pure 02 or manual set point on the classic which is how i was trained and I think its a good idea. Soooooo I dont get this at all? Quote: So would you describe this as a case of pot calling the kettle black? YD Dive Forums & Scuba Community - View Single Post - Trimix Qualifications on YBOD? Should I? I especially like you doing a 64m dive on air dil - uhuh! Id like to see the post of me lecturing someone on being unqualified to dive mix or deep air for thyat matter ?? For future reference: I dived OC untrained no cert Dry suit no training no cert # Twinset no training (mind you it wasent popular then) # Deep air to 70 no training # Decompression including multi tank accelerated deco OC No training Nitrox no cert Trimix no cert CCR trimix no cert Cave no cert # Wreck penetration no cert. # MCCR no training no cert # So if i ever get on my high horse you can quote this thread and ill shut up. All the ones with a # after them i am still not officially qualified in but I am planning a MCCR course and a cave course within the next 12 months. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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14th June 2007, 15:50	#64 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,303	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Oh come off it Mike get of the high horse, you know I love your antics M8 but you did your ccr cave course and within months were pushing the limits of a monster cave doing a 180m epic dive. Wrong. It was over a year later (almost 2) and dozens of deep cave dives before I was that deep. I built my experience up over many increasingly deeper dives. The point is (and Ill say it slowly so you can understand) I did all the available training and sought the available knowledge for the diving I was doing. So your accusation is incorrect Quote: Nice slow progression into cave diving? Naaaaa sod it lets crack a 200m deep virgin cave. Wrong. Just like AM your full of shit- you dont know anything about what cave dives ive done - only the ones you read about - your making the same incorrect assumptions your sidekick does. I bottomed out both sides eagles nest 95m+ at Sra Keow we did progressively deeper and deeper dives prob something like 50m, 60m, 80m, 95m, 105m, 127m, 150m then back to US for some more deep ones then back to Thailand for a dozen more deep dives culimnating in 191m. So it was over a year after my course and loads of progressively deeper dives before I did the 191m one. In other words a) your wrong and b) your wrong. Quote: All credit to you you obviously decided that your present level of knowledge of cave diving was more than adequate probably based more on your vast experience in open water deep diving. So mear weeks after training to do cave diving you thought sod it and did the dive. yes. and no. Its not rocket science so yes deep wreck diving is aplicable - but as mentioned above your wrong about the build up and the timing. Funny how a non cave trained non cave diver with no idea about what dives Ive done (other than teh big ones hes read about ) has such the audacity to think hes qualified to judge Quote: Good one, I respect that. I can die happy Quote: Me? I am well known for saying CCR mix training is bollocks for an OC trained diver, MCCR training id bollocks for an experienced CCR diver, I have dived a hand full of caves with zero training and I dive deep air in the red sea when the idiots wont give me a mix because i am on a Mod 1 cert I admit that none of it is clever but I felt confident and comfortable doing it and I admit none of what I do is clever but I feel confident and comfortable (doing deep cave dives) - but apparently thats a privalage only the great mark chase can enjoy PS are you AM sock puppet - you sound just like her only less manly :P __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 14th June 2007 at 16:05.
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14th June 2007, 16:00	#65 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,694	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) and I admit none of what I do is clever but I feel confident and comfortable doing deep cave dives - but apparently thats a privalage only the great mark chase can enjoy If your a reeely good boy I let you have a bit of privalage as well PPS For future referance, I use smileys ONLY when i am trying to convay the light hearted nature of my post and not to thinly vail abuse or harsh criticisum. It helps when people mis read my posts which judging by your privilage comment you have. PPPS: I DONT DIVE OR SOCALISE WITH AMMERS. Frankly I am not in her league. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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14th June 2007, 16:13	#66 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,687	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice Guys - why not just swap a couple of PMs now - some times the written word just isn't the best for this stuff as you dont see body inflections speach tone, grins etc .... and am sure if this was over a beer we would have long moved on to the next topic! Could we park this one and move back on topic? __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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14th June 2007, 16:26	#67 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,303	Re: Diluent / Bail-out / Deco Line gas choice but but he started it __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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