Storage Bottles

grunzster · 6th February 2006, 20:00

Would AL80s be ok to use a storage bottles to fill LP steel rebreather tanks from, or would I be better off with HP steel tanks, possibly 100s or even 120s?

Only reason I'm considering the 80s is I already have 4 of them that won't see much use after I start diving my KISS.

Nick uk. · 6th February 2006, 20:42

Depends on how high you can fill them, and how big your Rebreather bottles are, you'll have to try and see how mant fills you can get. (i presume your decanting with whips).

grunzster · 6th February 2006, 20:51

Well the AL tanks can be filled to 3000.
And I'm probably going to use Faber LP12s for the rebreather which I think have a rating of 2650.

Nick uk. · 6th February 2006, 22:14

What, what, what!

It's all Greek to me PSI, i need a scientific calculator to keep up.

Why, in a perfect world you'd all 'HAVE' to go metric.

guardian1 · 6th February 2006, 22:57

Guess after Sat. You decided to keep your KISS order!
Dive safe with it.....

Muzz · 7th February 2006, 00:08

For every 100psi in the al 80 you will get 2.6cf, so you can't even fill a 13lp to 2640psi. As storage the are pretty worthless. Sell them or trade for the biggest set of lp steel you can find.
Steve

grunzster · 14th February 2006, 00:01

Ok thanks for the math. After seeing that I was able to do some of my own.

So you really do need LP tanks, so you crank them up to even make it worth it?

By my math even an HP 100 would barely give you 2 fills, and a 120 still wouldn't even give you 3 fills.

And yes after Saturday I'm sold.

DepthCharge · 14th February 2006, 02:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by grunzster)

Ok thanks for the math. After seeing that I was able to do some of my own.

So you really do need LP tanks, so you crank them up to even make it worth it?

By my math even an HP 100 would barely give you 2 fills, and a 120 still wouldn't even give you 3 fills.

And yes after Saturday I'm sold.

Get some LP steels and fill them to 3500-4000psi. I've been doing this for years and they still pass hydro with a + rating.
Later,
DC

Mark Chase · 14th February 2006, 16:22

I use a 300 bar 12ltr of diluent and a 235 bar 15ltr of 02. This works OK to give me about 12 fills, but of course the fills are really top offs not full fills. I end up getting the 300 bar re filled when it drops below 100bar. Ill run the 100% down to 80 bar. I was going to get a second 300 bar 12 but in the end I got a mini booster. This is OK but its a PITA getting the drive gas and it seems to use a lot of drive gas. I may invest in a little paint compressor to run the booster but its costing out at about £1100-1200 with the booster whips and compressor so its not a cheep option.

In the UK the AL80s we have are supposed to be 200bar max fill? the Faber steels are 235 bar.

ATB

Mark Chase

gathan · 14th February 2006, 16:36

I use Luxfer 14s @ 2000psi and cascade from PST 130s. I get pretty good mileage out of that.

Andre

6th February 2006, 20:00	#1 (permalink)
grunzster New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 37	Storage Bottles Would AL80s be ok to use a storage bottles to fill LP steel rebreather tanks from, or would I be better off with HP steel tanks, possibly 100s or even 120s? Only reason I'm considering the 80s is I already have 4 of them that won't see much use after I start diving my KISS.
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6th February 2006, 20:42	#2 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Storage Bottles Depends on how high you can fill them, and how big your Rebreather bottles are, you'll have to try and see how mant fills you can get. (i presume your decanting with whips). __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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6th February 2006, 20:51	#3 (permalink)
grunzster New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 37	Re: Storage Bottles Well the AL tanks can be filled to 3000. And I'm probably going to use Faber LP12s for the rebreather which I think have a rating of 2650.
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6th February 2006, 22:14	#4 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Storage Bottles What, what, what! It's all Greek to me PSI, i need a scientific calculator to keep up. Why, in a perfect world you'd all 'HAVE' to go metric. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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6th February 2006, 22:57	#5 (permalink)
guardian1 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 4	Re: Storage Bottles Guess after Sat. You decided to keep your KISS order! Dive safe with it.....
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Muzz New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pompano Beach FL Posts: 130	Re: Storage Bottles For every 100psi in the al 80 you will get 2.6cf, so you can't even fill a 13lp to 2640psi. As storage the are pretty worthless. Sell them or trade for the biggest set of lp steel you can find. Steve
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14th February 2006, 00:01	#7 (permalink)
grunzster New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 37	Re: Storage Bottles Ok thanks for the math. After seeing that I was able to do some of my own. So you really do need LP tanks, so you crank them up to even make it worth it? By my math even an HP 100 would barely give you 2 fills, and a 120 still wouldn't even give you 3 fills. And yes after Saturday I'm sold.
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14th February 2006, 02:44	#8 (permalink)
DepthCharge New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: upstate NY Posts: 232	Re: Storage Bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by grunzster) Ok thanks for the math. After seeing that I was able to do some of my own. So you really do need LP tanks, so you crank them up to even make it worth it? By my math even an HP 100 would barely give you 2 fills, and a 120 still wouldn't even give you 3 fills. And yes after Saturday I'm sold. Get some LP steels and fill them to 3500-4000psi. I've been doing this for years and they still pass hydro with a + rating. Later, DC
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14th February 2006, 16:22	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	Re: Storage Bottles I use a 300 bar 12ltr of diluent and a 235 bar 15ltr of 02. This works OK to give me about 12 fills, but of course the fills are really top offs not full fills. I end up getting the 300 bar re filled when it drops below 100bar. Ill run the 100% down to 80 bar. I was going to get a second 300 bar 12 but in the end I got a mini booster. This is OK but its a PITA getting the drive gas and it seems to use a lot of drive gas. I may invest in a little paint compressor to run the booster but its costing out at about £1100-1200 with the booster whips and compressor so its not a cheep option. In the UK the AL80s we have are supposed to be 200bar max fill? the Faber steels are 235 bar. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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14th February 2006, 16:36	#10 (permalink)
gathan MixedGas Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tottenham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 194	Re: Storage Bottles I use Luxfer 14s @ 2000psi and cascade from PST 130s. I get pretty good mileage out of that. Andre
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