Haskel vs HI

robinfante · 7th August 2007, 15:54

I need to retract my previous post. At this point the Hii is working fine.

I still wouldn't buy another one, but it is at least working now. So no booty on the bottom of the ocean

.

***jradomski*** · 7th August 2007, 17:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by robinfante)

I need to retract my previous post. At this point the Hii is working fine.

I still wouldn't buy another one, but it is at least working now. So no booty on the bottom of the ocean

.

I have been completely happy with mine.. Works like a charm.. I sold mine to someone who needs one right now and I have a replacement on order..

From what I have been told the new units will be slightly smaller.. I'm not sure what this means but I'll have to wait and see..

**vidodivr** · 7th August 2007, 17:38

I decided to get the Mini Haskel from the Rebreather World shop and am just sorting out the Whip kit and connections from Jakub.

thank you all for your comments

wondersea · 8th August 2007, 08:40

Hi,

I got the same configuration (Haskel and Golem whip) and it's working really good with oxygen or helium.

I am trying to find another solution than scuba tank for air drive because it need a lot of air to work !!

I just wonder also, if we can use or some of you use the booster to boost trimix prepared or air from a 18L Tank (O² clean) into the 3L CCR Tank ?

Is it a bad idea ?

Barrie Law · 8th August 2007, 09:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by wondersea)

Hi,

I got the same configuration (Haskel and Golem whip) and it's working really good with oxygen or helium.

I am trying to find another solution than scuba tank for air drive because it need a lot of air to work !!

I just wonder also, if we can use or some of you use the booster to boost trimix prepared or air from a 18L Tank (O² clean) into the 3L CCR Tank ?

Is it a bad idea ?

Hi Antoine,

You can use the Booster to fill a 3 ltr from an 18 ltr Cylinder with Trimix without any problems although you should give the 3 lt a good shake to avoid any layering before Analysing.

If your air drive consumption seems high check the air drive over pressure valve is not dumping at the same time the Booster is running if it is reduce the air drive supply pressure.

wondersea · 8th August 2007, 09:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law)

Hi Antoine,

You can use the Booster to fill a 3 ltr from an 18 ltr Cylinder with Trimix without any problems although you should give the 3 lt a good shake to avoid any layering before Analysing.

If your air drive consumption seems high check the air drive over pressure valve is not dumping at the same time the Booster is running if it is reduce the air drive supply pressure.

Hi Barrie,

Why I should have some layering as the source tank is already a trimix ?

What about boost with an air tank into the 3L air diluent ?

My air drive pressure is about 5 bars on MP gauge, If I reduce or increase this pressure, I change the flow on the output pressure. Right ?

I test it on this example :

I lost 70 bar (1260L) of air drive to fill He from 51 bar (510L) to 79 bar (790L)
So I gain 28 bar (280L).

By the way, did you get any answer from Haskel about technical data sheet and performance curves ?

Have a nice day

Barrie Law · 8th August 2007, 12:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by wondersea)

Hi Barrie,

Why I should have some layering as the source tank is already a trimix ?

What about boost with an air tank into the 3L air diluent ?

My air drive pressure is about 5 bars on MP gauge, If I reduce or increase this pressure, I change the flow on the output pressure. Right ?

I test it on this example :

I lost 70 bar (1260L) of air drive to fill He from 51 bar (510L) to 79 bar (790L)
So I gain 28 bar (280L).

By the way, did you get any answer from Haskel about technical data sheet and performance curves ?

Have a nice day

Hi Antoine,

You do not need to consider layering if your 3 ltr is already filled with the same Trimix, I was thinking you are adding to air. The layering I have seen is from much slower electric driven boosters and should not really be an issue with the Haskel - Mini Sport Booster 9000.

The 5 Bar interstage is fine but you may need to increase that for higher end fill pressures.

I have not received a reply from Haskel about the technical data sheet and performance curves.

Gilles · 8th August 2007, 13:20

I have an HI, starting to have a significant number of hours on it (some 1000 hrs also being used to mix OC deco stages of my colleagues).

The only issue was loss of performance from the dynamic O-rings on the shuttle valve needing some lube. This service took no longer than 30 minutes.

A bit noisy. I made an improvised drive gas reg using a welding reg and some unused fittings. I run it no faster than 60 cpm.

SteveL · 10th August 2007, 14:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by robinfante)

I've got the HI. Its been nothing but misery. It went back to the factory after about an hour of use, they didn't get it back to me for 8 months (and dozens of "shipping next week" promises.) Guess what? It still doesn't work.

You may be able to find mine on the bottom of the ocean soon.

Rob, What model do you have ?? I am running the 5G DS 30 at so far it has been great - I run it at less than 1 cycle per second either from a scuba cylinder or shop air

I heard alot of the guys at haskel actually left and went to HI. I had a haskel prior to this and I have to say they look VERY VERY similar -

Steve

7th August 2007, 15:54	#11 (permalink)
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7th August 2007, 17:03	#12 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,004	Re: Haskel vs HI Quote: (Originally Posted by robinfante) I need to retract my previous post. At this point the Hii is working fine. I still wouldn't buy another one, but it is at least working now. So no booty on the bottom of the ocean . I have been completely happy with mine.. Works like a charm.. I sold mine to someone who needs one right now and I have a replacement on order.. From what I have been told the new units will be slightly smaller.. I'm not sure what this means but I'll have to wait and see.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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7th August 2007, 17:38	#13 (permalink)
vidodivr swims in fishes toilets Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Florida/Michigan Posts: 499	Re: Haskel vs HI I decided to get the Mini Haskel from the Rebreather World shop and am just sorting out the Whip kit and connections from Jakub. thank you all for your comments __________________ Have a good one, Rob LaLonde Rec and Tek Media, Inc. Full Service Film and Video Production CK #087, Narked@90 stand, URM
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wondersea New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: France - Gerzat (63) - Sanary (83) Posts: 78	Re: Haskel vs HI Hi, I got the same configuration (Haskel and Golem whip) and it's working really good with oxygen or helium. I am trying to find another solution than scuba tank for air drive because it need a lot of air to work !! I just wonder also, if we can use or some of you use the booster to boost trimix prepared or air from a 18L Tank (O² clean) into the 3L CCR Tank ? Is it a bad idea ? __________________ Antoine Pannetier DirRebreather member www.DIRRebreather.com
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8th August 2007, 09:08	#15 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 459	Re: Haskel vs HI Quote: (Originally Posted by wondersea) Hi, I got the same configuration (Haskel and Golem whip) and it's working really good with oxygen or helium. I am trying to find another solution than scuba tank for air drive because it need a lot of air to work !! I just wonder also, if we can use or some of you use the booster to boost trimix prepared or air from a 18L Tank (O² clean) into the 3L CCR Tank ? Is it a bad idea ? Hi Antoine, You can use the Booster to fill a 3 ltr from an 18 ltr Cylinder with Trimix without any problems although you should give the 3 lt a good shake to avoid any layering before Analysing. If your air drive consumption seems high check the air drive over pressure valve is not dumping at the same time the Booster is running if it is reduce the air drive supply pressure. __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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8th August 2007, 09:42	#16 (permalink)
wondersea New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: France - Gerzat (63) - Sanary (83) Posts: 78	Re: Haskel vs HI Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law) Hi Antoine, You can use the Booster to fill a 3 ltr from an 18 ltr Cylinder with Trimix without any problems although you should give the 3 lt a good shake to avoid any layering before Analysing. If your air drive consumption seems high check the air drive over pressure valve is not dumping at the same time the Booster is running if it is reduce the air drive supply pressure. Hi Barrie, Why I should have some layering as the source tank is already a trimix ? What about boost with an air tank into the 3L air diluent ? My air drive pressure is about 5 bars on MP gauge, If I reduce or increase this pressure, I change the flow on the output pressure. Right ? I test it on this example : I lost 70 bar (1260L) of air drive to fill He from 51 bar (510L) to 79 bar (790L) So I gain 28 bar (280L). By the way, did you get any answer from Haskel about technical data sheet and performance curves ? Have a nice day __________________ Antoine Pannetier DirRebreather member www.DIRRebreather.com
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8th August 2007, 12:01	#17 (permalink)
Barrie Law RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 459	Re: Haskel vs HI Quote: (Originally Posted by wondersea) Hi Barrie, Why I should have some layering as the source tank is already a trimix ? What about boost with an air tank into the 3L air diluent ? My air drive pressure is about 5 bars on MP gauge, If I reduce or increase this pressure, I change the flow on the output pressure. Right ? I test it on this example : I lost 70 bar (1260L) of air drive to fill He from 51 bar (510L) to 79 bar (790L) So I gain 28 bar (280L). By the way, did you get any answer from Haskel about technical data sheet and performance curves ? Have a nice day Hi Antoine, You do not need to consider layering if your 3 ltr is already filled with the same Trimix, I was thinking you are adding to air. The layering I have seen is from much slower electric driven boosters and should not really be an issue with the Haskel - Mini Sport Booster 9000. The 5 Bar interstage is fine but you may need to increase that for higher end fill pressures. I have not received a reply from Haskel about the technical data sheet and performance curves. __________________ Barrie Law Rebreather World Store Supplying the Rebreather World Tel:US +19548403892 Fax:US+19543333792 Tel:EU+442071930496 Fax:EU+442077606344 Mobile+353876880628 Skype:barrielaw Email: barrie@rebreatherworldstore.com
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Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 762	Re: Haskel vs HI I have an HI, starting to have a significant number of hours on it (some 1000 hrs also being used to mix OC deco stages of my colleagues). The only issue was loss of performance from the dynamic O-rings on the shuttle valve needing some lube. This service took no longer than 30 minutes. A bit noisy. I made an improvised drive gas reg using a welding reg and some unused fittings. I run it no faster than 60 cpm. __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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SteveL Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 222	Re: Haskel vs HI Quote: (Originally Posted by robinfante) I've got the HI. Its been nothing but misery. It went back to the factory after about an hour of use, they didn't get it back to me for 8 months (and dozens of "shipping next week" promises.) Guess what? It still doesn't work. You may be able to find mine on the bottom of the ocean soon. Rob, What model do you have ?? I am running the 5G DS 30 at so far it has been great - I run it at less than 1 cycle per second either from a scuba cylinder or shop air I heard alot of the guys at haskel actually left and went to HI. I had a haskel prior to this and I have to say they look VERY VERY similar - Steve
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