Dolphin mCCR training

tamorgen · 7th February 2007, 17:59

Hi all,
This may sound like a stupid question, but for those of you who have converted your Dolphins to CCR, how have you conducted your training? I don't plan on doing it for probably another year or so, but I'm curious how one would go about learning how to dive CCR on a Dolphin, especially since this would be a modified unit, albeit a common modification. Any particular advice? Thanks.

**Dave Sutton** · 7th February 2007, 18:08

Take a KISS course. Mode of operation is the same, and it's mode training, not rig specific training, that you need. Plus you'll like the KISS.

Dave

decoweenie · 7th February 2007, 18:21

If you want to learn from a class, then take a real class. As Dave said, a KISS class suits the best.

Don't do what a local guy here did... Bought the Dolphin, bought some conversion kit, did a "mCCR course" from the guy who sold the unit to him and almost drown himself on the 2nd dive after the "course". Read the "Know your PO2" thread for details...

tamorgen · 7th February 2007, 19:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

If you want to learn from a class, then take a real class. As Dave said, a KISS class suits the best.

Don't do what a local guy here did... Bought the Dolphin, bought some conversion kit, did a "mCCR course" from the guy who sold the unit to him and almost drown himself on the 2nd dive after the "course". Read the "Know your PO2" thread for details...

Yeah, that's what I was trying to prevent. I wasn't sure if there was any training that would get me ready to dive the Dolphin in CCR mode. I'll look into KISS training. Hopefully there is some in my area.

John Langley · 7th February 2007, 19:26

If you think you are up to doing the conversion then go ahead, I did, and realy enjoyed the task.
But have you thought about selling the dolphin and buying a KISS instead, I did this also, and realy enjoyed diving the KISS much better.

Regards

J.L.

tamorgen · 7th February 2007, 19:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by John Langley)

If you think you are up to doing the conversion then go ahead, I did, and realy enjoyed the task.
But have you thought about selling the dolphin and buying a KISS instead, I did this also, and realy enjoyed diving the KISS much better.

Regards

J.L.

It's a task I think I'm up to, eventually. I've found a few really good sites that describe in detail what you have to do. I'd kinda like to do the conversion from the DIY/homebuilt aspect, but with some guided experience. I just don't want to do it without any training on mCCR. I'm not so much into the whole eCCR thing. I had a close friend of mine, who was a very experienced technical instructor die on an Inspiration a few years ago, becaused the electronics failed. He died of hypoxia, and he left a pregnant widow behind. I don't want to get into the whole mCCR/eCCR debate...god knows there are enough posts on that, but when I do it, personally it will be on the mCCR, whether it be purchased KISS or modified Dolphin KISS.

Numpty diver · 7th February 2007, 20:45

The Dolphin is a real good scr..possibly one of the best.
But .. it works best as a scr.
Buy a good ccr thats made to be a ccr... it will be cheaper in the long run and yourll live longer!

Quote: (Originally Posted by tamorgen)

It's a task I think I'm up to, eventually. I've found a few really good sites that describe in detail what you have to do. I'd kinda like to do the conversion from the DIY/homebuilt aspect, but with some guided experience. I just don't want to do it without any training on mCCR. I'm not so much into the whole eCCR thing. I had a close friend of mine, who was a very experienced technical instructor die on an Inspiration a few years ago, becaused the electronics failed. He died of hypoxia, and he left a pregnant widow behind. I don't want to get into the whole mCCR/eCCR debate...god knows there are enough posts on that, but when I do it, personally it will be on the mCCR, whether it be purchased KISS or modified Dolphin KISS.

**jmurba** · 7th February 2007, 20:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Numpty diver)

The Dolphin is a real good scr..possibly one of the best.
But .. it works best as a scr.
Buy a good ccr thats made to be a ccr... it will be cheaper in the long run and yourll live longer!

Don't know if one Rebreather is better then the other, don't know if the dolphin makes a good or a bad ccr.
all that I know is that a good configuration makes a good diver/machine unit.
I would never change my ccr dolphin for a commercial ccr, but it took me a ******g long time to fing the rigth configuration.

regards

jean mi

Numpty diver · 7th February 2007, 20:59

Hi Jean
Would be nice to see some pics of your ccr dolphin...

Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba)

Don't know if one Rebreather is better then the other, don't know if the dolphin makes a good or a bad ccr.
all that I know is that a good configuration makes a good diver/machine unit.
I would never change my ccr dolphin for a commercial ccr, but it took me a ******g long time to fing the rigth configuration.

regards

jean mi

bletso · 7th February 2007, 21:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Numpty diver)

The Dolphin is a real good scr..possibly one of the best.
But .. it works best as a scr.
Buy a good ccr thats made to be a ccr... it will be cheaper in the long run and yourll live longer!

Now just where do you come off from? My converted Dolphin was cheaper than a KISS. How do you figure anyone will live longer buying a canned unit over a conversion or homebuilt?

The conversions and homebuilt units usually mean their owners are far more in tune with what makes a safe unit. The knowledge required to make or convert far exceeds that which you would get in any canned training programme as well.

Dale

7th February 2007, 17:59	#1 (permalink)
tamorgen Gadget guru extrordinaire Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 183	Dolphin mCCR training Hi all, This may sound like a stupid question, but for those of you who have converted your Dolphins to CCR, how have you conducted your training? I don't plan on doing it for probably another year or so, but I'm curious how one would go about learning how to dive CCR on a Dolphin, especially since this would be a modified unit, albeit a common modification. Any particular advice? Thanks.
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7th February 2007, 18:08	#2 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,674	Re: Dolphin mCCR training Take a KISS course. Mode of operation is the same, and it's mode training, not rig specific training, that you need. Plus you'll like the KISS. Dave __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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7th February 2007, 18:21	#3 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Dolphin mCCR training If you want to learn from a class, then take a real class. As Dave said, a KISS class suits the best. Don't do what a local guy here did... Bought the Dolphin, bought some conversion kit, did a "mCCR course" from the guy who sold the unit to him and almost drown himself on the 2nd dive after the "course". Read the "Know your PO2" thread for details... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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7th February 2007, 19:12	#4 (permalink)
tamorgen Gadget guru extrordinaire Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 183	Re: Dolphin mCCR training Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) If you want to learn from a class, then take a real class. As Dave said, a KISS class suits the best. Don't do what a local guy here did... Bought the Dolphin, bought some conversion kit, did a "mCCR course" from the guy who sold the unit to him and almost drown himself on the 2nd dive after the "course". Read the "Know your PO2" thread for details... Yeah, that's what I was trying to prevent. I wasn't sure if there was any training that would get me ready to dive the Dolphin in CCR mode. I'll look into KISS training. Hopefully there is some in my area.
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7th February 2007, 19:26	#5 (permalink)
John Langley New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in an appartment on the 99th floor of my block Posts: 103	Re: Dolphin mCCR training If you think you are up to doing the conversion then go ahead, I did, and realy enjoyed the task. But have you thought about selling the dolphin and buying a KISS instead, I did this also, and realy enjoyed diving the KISS much better. Regards J.L. __________________ BSAC 1620 www.aqualanddivers.co.uk www.oceandiving.co.uk Thank your mother for the dripping.
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7th February 2007, 19:49	#6 (permalink)
tamorgen Gadget guru extrordinaire Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 183	Re: Dolphin mCCR training Quote: (Originally Posted by John Langley) If you think you are up to doing the conversion then go ahead, I did, and realy enjoyed the task. But have you thought about selling the dolphin and buying a KISS instead, I did this also, and realy enjoyed diving the KISS much better. Regards J.L. It's a task I think I'm up to, eventually. I've found a few really good sites that describe in detail what you have to do. I'd kinda like to do the conversion from the DIY/homebuilt aspect, but with some guided experience. I just don't want to do it without any training on mCCR. I'm not so much into the whole eCCR thing. I had a close friend of mine, who was a very experienced technical instructor die on an Inspiration a few years ago, becaused the electronics failed. He died of hypoxia, and he left a pregnant widow behind. I don't want to get into the whole mCCR/eCCR debate...god knows there are enough posts on that, but when I do it, personally it will be on the mCCR, whether it be purchased KISS or modified Dolphin KISS.
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7th February 2007, 20:45	#7 (permalink)
Numpty diver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norway, Bergen Posts: 211	Re: Dolphin mCCR training The Dolphin is a real good scr..possibly one of the best. But .. it works best as a scr. Buy a good ccr thats made to be a ccr... it will be cheaper in the long run and yourll live longer! Quote: (Originally Posted by tamorgen) It's a task I think I'm up to, eventually. I've found a few really good sites that describe in detail what you have to do. I'd kinda like to do the conversion from the DIY/homebuilt aspect, but with some guided experience. I just don't want to do it without any training on mCCR. I'm not so much into the whole eCCR thing. I had a close friend of mine, who was a very experienced technical instructor die on an Inspiration a few years ago, becaused the electronics failed. He died of hypoxia, and he left a pregnant widow behind. I don't want to get into the whole mCCR/eCCR debate...god knows there are enough posts on that, but when I do it, personally it will be on the mCCR, whether it be purchased KISS or modified Dolphin KISS.
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7th February 2007, 20:52	#8 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 862	Re: Dolphin mCCR training Quote: (Originally Posted by Numpty diver) The Dolphin is a real good scr..possibly one of the best. But .. it works best as a scr. Buy a good ccr thats made to be a ccr... it will be cheaper in the long run and yourll live longer! Don't know if one Rebreather is better then the other, don't know if the dolphin makes a good or a bad ccr. all that I know is that a good configuration makes a good diver/machine unit. I would never change my ccr dolphin for a commercial ccr, but it took me a ******g long time to fing the rigth configuration. regards jean mi
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7th February 2007, 20:59	#9 (permalink)
Numpty diver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norway, Bergen Posts: 211	Re: Dolphin mCCR training Hi Jean Would be nice to see some pics of your ccr dolphin... Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba) Don't know if one Rebreather is better then the other, don't know if the dolphin makes a good or a bad ccr. all that I know is that a good configuration makes a good diver/machine unit. I would never change my ccr dolphin for a commercial ccr, but it took me a ******g long time to fing the rigth configuration. regards jean mi
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7th February 2007, 21:00	#10 (permalink)
bletso An independent diver. Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville, KY, USA Posts: 256	Re: Dolphin mCCR training Quote: (Originally Posted by Numpty diver) The Dolphin is a real good scr..possibly one of the best. But .. it works best as a scr. Buy a good ccr thats made to be a ccr... it will be cheaper in the long run and yourll live longer! Now just where do you come off from? My converted Dolphin was cheaper than a KISS. How do you figure anyone will live longer buying a canned unit over a conversion or homebuilt? The conversions and homebuilt units usually mean their owners are far more in tune with what makes a safe unit. The knowledge required to make or convert far exceeds that which you would get in any canned training programme as well. Dale
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