ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA

ebourzeix · 29th February 2008, 20:56

Did somebody already dive with this...well ! it seems to be a rebreather ?

Some pics here.

The only page I found on the Web & Czech manual here

canetoad · 29th February 2008, 23:51

It's actually an Open Circuit armored vehicle escape device with some interesting features. I'm on my PDA so a little difficult to tap in the full details, but if you do a search you will find some posts about. I have a couple; especially like the double tanks & manifold.
Thanks,
PM

ebourzeix · 1st March 2008, 09:03

Quote:

an Open Circuit armored vehicle escape device

I don't read Czech (very soon

) but 2 x 2L 300b to escape from a tank seems too much.

Why use so eavy tanks and why double ? A Draeger-like fireman facial mask would have been easier - and lighter - to use, no ?

If open circuit, why use sorb in the mask ? why a lung with a marine regulator ? why a manual injection ?

well, well, a lot of questions

**Dave Sutton** · 1st March 2008, 11:50

It's not only for escape, it's for NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) warfare protection in and around the vehicle. And please remember, 'escape' is only a part of the issue for tank crews. They also use these for attachment of chains for vehicle recovery in river fordings, etc.

I'd like to find one, just for the tiny twinset.

Can you imagine a swimming armored vehicle? BMP-3, etc... Not me baby. In fact *any* armored vehicle is "not for me baby". I sat in a ZSU-23 in the sandbox once (driven by a little old Iraqi Lady, with only 25 KM on the odometer), and it scared the piss outta me. If there was an A-10 anywhere within 100 miles I'd have been outta there.... <really>.

Read this:

Indonesia: Six marines drown as amphibious tank sinks

I would have my friggin rebreather on and pre-breathed before I went into anything heavy and steel in the water.... **** that.

Dave

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mathias · 1st March 2008, 12:31

Code:

 
I'd like to find one, just for the tiny twinset.

Hi Dave, have e look over her:
http://www.dicks-armyshop.ch/pdf/katalog_genf.pdf

fore about 150$ its yours (page 7)
regards
Mathias

Skipbreather · 1st March 2008, 14:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

I'd like to find one, just for the tiny twinset.

.

Here ya go, Dave. Yours for a mere $79.97 and shipped from the frozen wastes of Minnesota!

Used Czech Antique Diving Tank Set, Military Surplus, Brand Not Specified at Sportsman's Guide

Best,
Ken

canetoad · 1st March 2008, 17:06

Dave is right; it is not only for escape. When I was researching this some months back, I found it is used for a variety of purposes by the military & others. I believe it is still in use with, at the least, some Czech firefighting & rescue organizations. Dave, as previously mentioned; Sportamansguide.com has them for sale in the Military Surplus section. Unfortunately they don't include the gas mask. It, however, is the standard Czech M10 or M10M gas mask available from a number of sources quite reasonably. One very useful feature is that the manifold is threaded to accept DIN regulators.

ebourzeix; the tanks are a total of 4L, & @ their rated pressure, I think it comes out to approx. 40cu. ft., if I recall my past research correctly. The manual states this can last up to one hour. Maybe wishful thinking under the stress of combat, etc. Also, I believe, they are filled with air. In any case it is not rebreathed. The 2 corrugated breathing hoses are inhale hoses. They come straight off the regulator's inhale side. There is no means to route exhaled breath back to the bag. The bag is actually a horse collar type floatation device with a pull cord - style inflator. The "Sorb" you are referring to is, no doubt, the standard NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) type replaceable cartridges that are available for the M10 gas mask. You can find these readily available for sale on the internet as well. It does not have manual injection. It is demand fed via the regulator. The unique feature of the regulator is that it has something akin to a surface breathing valve. When the tank's gas valve is off, a valve (the large heavy circular device attached to the back of the 2nd stage), opens to the surrounding atmosphere. This allows the user to inhale through the 2 corrugated hoses coming off the regulator. When the tank's gas valve is open, it closes the valve to the surrounding atmosphere & allows you to breath the air from the tanks. Hope this helps answer some questions. I believe this info to be pretty accurate, based on computer & human derived translation of WebPages & manuals, as well as hands-on examination. That said, I do admit that I don’t have the full data on this unit & some details may be lacking or inaccurate. Nevertheless, it is an interesting unit with the potential to utilize some of it's parts for other projects.
Thanks,
PM

ebourzeix · 1st March 2008, 20:18

Quote:

The "Sorb" you are referring to is, no doubt, the standard NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) type replaceable cartridges

Pretty far away of what I was thinking about

Thank you very much 'Canetoad' and Dave. I'm very impressed by your knowledge !

Regards,
Eric

canetoad · 2nd March 2008, 14:14

Np. It does look like a rebreather. Thats what I thought initially as well.

Thanks,
PM

29th February 2008, 20:56	#1 (permalink)
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29th February 2008, 23:51	#2 (permalink)
canetoad New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 30	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA It's actually an Open Circuit armored vehicle escape device with some interesting features. I'm on my PDA so a little difficult to tap in the full details, but if you do a search you will find some posts about. I have a couple; especially like the double tanks & manifold. Thanks, PM __________________ PM
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1st March 2008, 09:03	#3 (permalink)
ebourzeix New Member Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Geneva (CH) Posts: 67	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA Quote: an Open Circuit armored vehicle escape device I don't read Czech (very soon ) but 2 x 2L 300b to escape from a tank seems too much. Why use so eavy tanks and why double ? A Draeger-like fireman facial mask would have been easier - and lighter - to use, no ? If open circuit, why use sorb in the mask ? why a lung with a marine regulator ? why a manual injection ? well, well, a lot of questions __________________ http://plongeesanssel.com http://leman.oldiblog.com/?page=articles
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1st March 2008, 11:50	#4 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,489	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA It's not only for escape, it's for NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) warfare protection in and around the vehicle. And please remember, 'escape' is only a part of the issue for tank crews. They also use these for attachment of chains for vehicle recovery in river fordings, etc. I'd like to find one, just for the tiny twinset. Can you imagine a swimming armored vehicle? BMP-3, etc... Not me baby. In fact any armored vehicle is "not for me baby". I sat in a ZSU-23 in the sandbox once (driven by a little old Iraqi Lady, with only 25 KM on the odometer), and it scared the piss outta me. If there was an A-10 anywhere within 100 miles I'd have been outta there.... <really>. Read this: Indonesia: Six marines drown as amphibious tank sinks I would have my friggin rebreather on and pre-breathed before I went into anything heavy and steel in the water.... **** that. Dave . __________________ . "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Professional Small Boy: Never Successfully Cubicled.
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1st March 2008, 12:31	#5 (permalink)
mathias Ouroboros #31 Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland - Murten Posts: 178	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA Code: I'd like to find one, just for the tiny twinset. Hi Dave, have e look over her: http://www.dicks-armyshop.ch/pdf/katalog_genf.pdf fore about 150$ its yours (page 7) regards Mathias __________________ Our dreams are other people's nightmares ;-) Plus près du fond, plus loin des cons !
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1st March 2008, 14:00	#6 (permalink)
Skipbreather WAY past the barber pole Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, Illinois, USA Posts: 527	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) I'd like to find one, just for the tiny twinset. . Here ya go, Dave. Yours for a mere $79.97 and shipped from the frozen wastes of Minnesota! Used Czech Antique Diving Tank Set, Military Surplus, Brand Not Specified at Sportsman's Guide Best, Ken __________________ "Entropy RULES! Enjoy the interim."
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1st March 2008, 17:06	#7 (permalink)
canetoad New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 30	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA Dave is right; it is not only for escape. When I was researching this some months back, I found it is used for a variety of purposes by the military & others. I believe it is still in use with, at the least, some Czech firefighting & rescue organizations. Dave, as previously mentioned; Sportamansguide.com has them for sale in the Military Surplus section. Unfortunately they don't include the gas mask. It, however, is the standard Czech M10 or M10M gas mask available from a number of sources quite reasonably. One very useful feature is that the manifold is threaded to accept DIN regulators. ebourzeix; the tanks are a total of 4L, & @ their rated pressure, I think it comes out to approx. 40cu. ft., if I recall my past research correctly. The manual states this can last up to one hour. Maybe wishful thinking under the stress of combat, etc. Also, I believe, they are filled with air. In any case it is not rebreathed. The 2 corrugated breathing hoses are inhale hoses. They come straight off the regulator's inhale side. There is no means to route exhaled breath back to the bag. The bag is actually a horse collar type floatation device with a pull cord - style inflator. The "Sorb" you are referring to is, no doubt, the standard NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) type replaceable cartridges that are available for the M10 gas mask. You can find these readily available for sale on the internet as well. It does not have manual injection. It is demand fed via the regulator. The unique feature of the regulator is that it has something akin to a surface breathing valve. When the tank's gas valve is off, a valve (the large heavy circular device attached to the back of the 2nd stage), opens to the surrounding atmosphere. This allows the user to inhale through the 2 corrugated hoses coming off the regulator. When the tank's gas valve is open, it closes the valve to the surrounding atmosphere & allows you to breath the air from the tanks. Hope this helps answer some questions. I believe this info to be pretty accurate, based on computer & human derived translation of WebPages & manuals, as well as hands-on examination. That said, I do admit that I don’t have the full data on this unit & some details may be lacking or inaccurate. Nevertheless, it is an interesting unit with the potential to utilize some of it's parts for other projects. Thanks, PM __________________ PM
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1st March 2008, 20:18	#8 (permalink)
ebourzeix New Member Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Geneva (CH) Posts: 67	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA Quote: The "Sorb" you are referring to is, no doubt, the standard NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) type replaceable cartridges Pretty far away of what I was thinking about Thank you very much 'Canetoad' and Dave. I'm very impressed by your knowledge ! Regards, Eric __________________ http://plongeesanssel.com http://leman.oldiblog.com/?page=articles
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2nd March 2008, 14:14	#9 (permalink)
canetoad New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 30	Re: ZP-10, made in CZECHOSLOVAKIA Np. It does look like a rebreather. Thats what I thought initially as well. Thanks, PM __________________ PM
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