The Right CCR for starting on?

scuba_g · 25th June 2007, 10:43

Hi:
After a couple of years pondering the move from OC, Ive finally made the decision to go CCR. But the eternal question which most likey hounds us "CCR newbies" is what unit to choose! Like a minefield, Ive carefully stepped through forum after forum and from manufacturer to Instructional site and so far have all my limbs! The questions Ive asked and the responses Ive got, have opened my eyes to the search for a reliable and safe unit, but like a farmer coming into the house after a long day in the fields, Ive had to kick alot of sh*t of my virtual boots and see what are the hard facts on the systems and the realistic pro's and con's. I know some experienced CCR divers are sponsored and also expeditions the same, and that some work and research for certain manufacturers, and/or teach specific units. Im looking to find out what unit would suit someone firstly coming into the realm of CCR and who like deep wreck and in the near future, using a unit for caving? Im also a big block, 6ft 6 and 22st, so the Evo is out of question! Any advice is appreciated and heres to seeing what nugets of wisdom are dropped into my hand!

Cheers
GC

***EBT*** · 25th June 2007, 11:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by scuba_g)

6ft 6 and 22st

Trident class? comes with handy missiles for passing squeezes

What sort of caving are you talking about, sumping, or tourist style?

scuba_g · 25th June 2007, 11:26

Cave diving old bean, the touristy stuff would look strange with me there, huddled with Japanese and German tourists with a leaflet on sump erosion and breathing from a Meg or the like

Will be diving around West Coast of Ireland, some tasty caves there, only the sheep to annoy you

Dutchy · 25th June 2007, 11:57

If you are really not sure find a way to become sure or take the plunge...
I took a hybrid approach I guess. I didn't buy a new breather and decided not all money on the course would be lost if I decided to go in another direction...
With a calculated loss of some 700 euro on breather and course it became something of an acceptable risk.
With respect to your arguing for not a rEvo I can only say try one. If I can dive a SK then you should be able to fit into a rEvo....

Edit: Have to admit though that trying is pointless if you can't compare it to another one as you'll only feel stupid for falling face down on the pool bottom as you can't control your bouyancy

Gilles · 25th June 2007, 12:10

The right CCR for you is largely up to you. You can get a good look at most of the available ones here on Rebreather World. Go for the one you fancy the most.

As only 1 out of a total of 2 CCR divers in Borneo, I try to push Rebreather to the 100's of OC

'ers, without much luck.

I'm comfortable suggesting mCCR, although I am satisfied with my own eCCR. In spite of my best efforts, I am a klutz and I need things that can take my unintended abuse.

Research your options. It is a good learning experience. Good luck on your eventual choice

.

OceanOpportunity · 25th June 2007, 12:22

I have dived several..Inspiration, CCR2000, Dolphin (SCR & CCR), but after a first hand look at the rEVO...this would be my purchase if I were buying another unit. Very streamline and compact. Very capable unit. Very well built

hmmm...maybe I'll buy one after all!

Ben Field · 25th June 2007, 12:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

With respect to your arguing for not a rEvo I can only say try one. If I can dive a SK then you should be able to fit into a rEvo....

He said Evo not rEvo, both are probably abit on the small side for that matter, in fact judging by your stats all rebreathers are going to seems pretty small!!!

What you need to decide is not "which rebreather" but "which type"

So you want a CCR (You've already discounted SCR then)

Next choice is ECCR or MCCR Any preference?

Next is Geography, do you "need" CE rated unit or not?

Now another Geography question, do you want a unit built in your country, in your continent or are you happy sending parts back and forth across the globe?

To put that in context, I wanted MCCR, not concerned with CE rating and happy to post internationally or fix it myself.... Ended up with a Classic KISS (Also was less choice 2-3years ago)

Best of luck choosing, narrow it down to 2 units maybe then come back with more questions in an either/or stylee.

BEN

paulraymaekers · 25th June 2007, 12:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

He said Evo not rEvo, both are probably abit on the small side for that matter, in fact judging by your stats all rebreathers are going to seems pretty small!!!

the standard rEvo is very compact and streamlined, but not short, and that's what counts
the mini rEvo is indeed shorter

for extreem tall people, we could mount the extendable backplate on a standard rEvo, so that the weight still rests on you butt, but i have never seen a need for such a long rEvo :-)

paul

scuba_g · 25th June 2007, 13:19

Thanks for all the info guys, the old noggin is starting to vent steam to allow the CCR pressure point brain cells vent off! the MCCR and ECCR is something I still am not 100% done on, because some divers have used both, as said, its then down to picking which unit suits me and go with the flow. Ill keep you posted on what system I choose, if its a good one Ill post soon, if I made a bad choice, keep the eye on the obituaries in the Daily Spew, for the respect of my mates Ill get cremated, lugging a box with me in it just wouldnt be right

Dutchy · 25th June 2007, 13:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

He said Evo not rEvo,...

Where's the hit myself with a hammer on the head icon?? Must be another forum I guess....

25th June 2007, 10:43	#1 (permalink)
scuba_g New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 14	The Right CCR for starting on? Hi: After a couple of years pondering the move from OC, Ive finally made the decision to go CCR. But the eternal question which most likey hounds us "CCR newbies" is what unit to choose! Like a minefield, Ive carefully stepped through forum after forum and from manufacturer to Instructional site and so far have all my limbs! The questions Ive asked and the responses Ive got, have opened my eyes to the search for a reliable and safe unit, but like a farmer coming into the house after a long day in the fields, Ive had to kick alot of sh*t of my virtual boots and see what are the hard facts on the systems and the realistic pro's and con's. I know some experienced CCR divers are sponsored and also expeditions the same, and that some work and research for certain manufacturers, and/or teach specific units. Im looking to find out what unit would suit someone firstly coming into the realm of CCR and who like deep wreck and in the near future, using a unit for caving? Im also a big block, 6ft 6 and 22st, so the Evo is out of question! Any advice is appreciated and heres to seeing what nugets of wisdom are dropped into my hand! Cheers GC
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25th June 2007, 11:20	#2 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,971	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by scuba_g) 6ft 6 and 22st Trident class? comes with handy missiles for passing squeezes What sort of caving are you talking about, sumping, or tourist style? __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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25th June 2007, 11:26	#3 (permalink)
scuba_g New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 14	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Cave diving old bean, the touristy stuff would look strange with me there, huddled with Japanese and German tourists with a leaflet on sump erosion and breathing from a Meg or the like Will be diving around West Coast of Ireland, some tasty caves there, only the sheep to annoy you
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25th June 2007, 11:57	#4 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 770	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? If you are really not sure find a way to become sure or take the plunge... I took a hybrid approach I guess. I didn't buy a new breather and decided not all money on the course would be lost if I decided to go in another direction... With a calculated loss of some 700 euro on breather and course it became something of an acceptable risk. With respect to your arguing for not a rEvo I can only say try one. If I can dive a SK then you should be able to fit into a rEvo.... Edit: Have to admit though that trying is pointless if you can't compare it to another one as you'll only feel stupid for falling face down on the pool bottom as you can't control your bouyancy __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. = Last edited by Dutchy : 25th June 2007 at 12:00.
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25th June 2007, 12:10	#5 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 762	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? The right CCR for you is largely up to you. You can get a good look at most of the available ones here on Rebreather World. Go for the one you fancy the most. As only 1 out of a total of 2 CCR divers in Borneo, I try to push Rebreather to the 100's of OC 'ers, without much luck. I'm comfortable suggesting mCCR, although I am satisfied with my own eCCR. In spite of my best efforts, I am a klutz and I need things that can take my unintended abuse. Research your options. It is a good learning experience. Good luck on your eventual choice . __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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25th June 2007, 12:22	#6 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 544	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? I have dived several..Inspiration, CCR2000, Dolphin (SCR & CCR), but after a first hand look at the rEVO...this would be my purchase if I were buying another unit. Very streamline and compact. Very capable unit. Very well built hmmm...maybe I'll buy one after all! __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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25th June 2007, 12:27	#7 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,627	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) With respect to your arguing for not a rEvo I can only say try one. If I can dive a SK then you should be able to fit into a rEvo.... He said Evo not rEvo, both are probably abit on the small side for that matter, in fact judging by your stats all rebreathers are going to seems pretty small!!! What you need to decide is not "which rebreather" but "which type" So you want a CCR (You've already discounted SCR then) Next choice is ECCR or MCCR Any preference? Next is Geography, do you "need" CE rated unit or not? Now another Geography question, do you want a unit built in your country, in your continent or are you happy sending parts back and forth across the globe? To put that in context, I wanted MCCR, not concerned with CE rating and happy to post internationally or fix it myself.... Ended up with a Classic KISS (Also was less choice 2-3years ago) Best of luck choosing, narrow it down to 2 units maybe then come back with more questions in an either/or stylee. BEN __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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25th June 2007, 12:32	#8 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,508	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) He said Evo not rEvo, both are probably abit on the small side for that matter, in fact judging by your stats all rebreathers are going to seems pretty small!!! the standard rEvo is very compact and streamlined, but not short, and that's what counts the mini rEvo is indeed shorter for extreem tall people, we could mount the extendable backplate on a standard rEvo, so that the weight still rests on you butt, but i have never seen a need for such a long rEvo :-) paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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25th June 2007, 13:19	#9 (permalink)
scuba_g New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 14	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Thanks for all the info guys, the old noggin is starting to vent steam to allow the CCR pressure point brain cells vent off! the MCCR and ECCR is something I still am not 100% done on, because some divers have used both, as said, its then down to picking which unit suits me and go with the flow. Ill keep you posted on what system I choose, if its a good one Ill post soon, if I made a bad choice, keep the eye on the obituaries in the Daily Spew, for the respect of my mates Ill get cremated, lugging a box with me in it just wouldnt be right
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25th June 2007, 13:27	#10 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 770	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) He said Evo not rEvo,... Where's the hit myself with a hammer on the head icon?? Must be another forum I guess.... __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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