The Right CCR for starting on?

mountain diver · 26th June 2007, 19:32

interesting to note, all purchase's made are alway's made on your personal
opinion whatever the scr,mccr or eccr is bought.the result is there is more
personal opinion out there then,factual.trying out someone's breather
once or twice, or test diving one will give you an idea about the unit
but the end result is still the same, your no where closer to what you want.
with that said, here's my experience. researched rebreathers for two years
before i made my choice, meg. reason modularity. has seen some changes over time. s/n 057
the only advice i'm willing to give, what ever you choose for a rebreather
master it.

all the best, Dan.

Johnny Christensen · 26th June 2007, 21:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Some advice Phi gave me when I first started:

"your first Rebreather will not be the only one you will ever own"

One could add:
Or it will not look much like what you originally bought, should you decide to keep the first one

mountain diver · 26th June 2007, 21:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Johnny Christensen)

One could add:
Or it will not look much like what you originally bought, should you decide to keep the first one

the reason for modularity

**Gill Envy** · 26th June 2007, 23:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

But we shouldn't really push these notions about our "ideal" product for someone else to try...

i think it's valuable to share what one's reasoning for going in the direction that one has chosen. Surely it's impossible to base all our choices on experience. I think spelling out our likes and dislikes about various units is just fine even for the ones we don't have first hand experience. If someone is going on about their thoughts on design and features of any given unit it's quite obvious by the list of their owned units whether they are speaking from first hand experience... both direct experience and conclusions from study have value as long as they are kept in perspective.
IMHO

mountain diver · 27th June 2007, 19:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

i think it's valuable to share what one's reasoning is for going in the direction that one has chosen. Surely it's impossible to base all our choices on experience. I think spelling out our likes and dislikes about various units is just fine even for the ones we don't have first hand experience. If someone is going on about their thoughts on design and features of any given unit it's quite obvious by the list of their owned units whether they are speaking from first hand experience... both direct experience and conclusions from study have value as long as they are kept in perspective.
IMHO

keeping thing's in perspective is alway's a good thing.
what I find interesting is this, unless you manufacture your own rebreather
you will alway's dive someone else's idea.the question that one need's to ask
oneself is, are you o.k. with that?

Chernish · 28th June 2007, 09:40

Hello,

I am a beginner to Rebreather - I don't even have one in fact, which is why I am doubly interested by this thread.

I am thinking by analogy to OC : choosing a Rebreather is like choosing your equipment for OC. Shouldn't we ask ourselves which RB a beginner should *not* use? We will find out that the RB we do *not* want a beginner to use are the bad ones (duh) and the complicated ones. Then you choose amongst the remaing ones and this choice will depend on availability, training, advice of friends, goals, personal inclination, ...

By analogy to OC: you do not throw a fresh OW in the water with a full hypoxic Trimix gear. But the exact brand of the regulator doesn't really matter. Even tough it has fueled countless feuds in countless threads in countless forums.

Quote: (Originally Posted by mountain diver)

keeping thing's in perspective is alway's a good thing.
what I find interesting is this, unless you manufacture your own rebreather
you will alway's dive someone else's idea.the question that one need's to ask
oneself is, are you o.k. with that?

Well, this thread is about beginners. As a beginner, I don't want to dive on a homemade, untested unit. It would be more dangerous than diving properly trained on an existing unit, even if this unit doesn't fit my idea 100%.

Cheers!

**Gill Envy** · 28th June 2007, 16:45

Welcome chernish, As tempting as your analogy is, it does not lend itself very well to the realm of rebreathers, IMHO. I've only been in it for a year or so and still essentially a newbie but I can relate a few things.

What is appropriate for each individual is quite different when it comes to even one's first rebreather. what you plan on doing with it determines a lot about your prioritization, which in tern can drastically effect which unit you might go with. Your background, of course, will also effect what you are ready for.

many folks already have deep diving/mixed gas training and experience, so going head long into deep rebreather diving does not seem unusual from pretty much the get go. that was not the case for me, I went from recreational air diver to constant po2. Only took nitrox training as a prerequisite to Rebreather training.

In any case, I still see the value of starting out manually even on an eCCR at least to really get the visisitudes of po2 changes engrained into ones being.

g

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chernish)

Hello,

I am a beginner to Rebreather - I don't even have one in fact, which is why I am doubly interested by this thread.

I am thinking by analogy to OC : choosing a Rebreather is like choosing your equipment for OC. Shouldn't we ask ourselves which RB a beginner should *not* use? We will find out that the RB we do *not* want a beginner to use are the bad ones (duh) and the complicated ones. Then you choose amongst the remaing ones and this choice will depend on availability, training, advice of friends, goals, personal inclination, ...

By analogy to OC: you do not throw a fresh OW in the water with a full hypoxic Trimix gear. But the exact brand of the regulator doesn't really matter. Even tough it has fueled countless feuds in countless threads in countless forums.
Well, this thread is about beginners. As a beginner, I don't want to dive on a homemade, untested unit. It would be more dangerous than diving properly trained on an existing unit, even if this unit doesn't fit my idea 100%.

Cheers!

mountain diver · 28th June 2007, 19:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chernish)

Hello,

I am a beginner to Rebreather - I don't even have one in fact, which is why I am doubly interested by this thread.

I am thinking by analogy to OC : choosing a Rebreather is like choosing your equipment for OC. Shouldn't we ask ourselves which RB a beginner should *not* use? We will find out that the RB we do *not* want a beginner to use are the bad ones (duh) and the complicated ones. Then you choose amongst the remaing ones and this choice will depend on availability, training, advice of friends, goals, personal inclination, ...

By analogy to OC: you do not throw a fresh OW in the water with a full hypoxic Trimix gear. But the exact brand of the regulator doesn't really matter. Even tough it has fueled countless feuds in countless threads in countless forums.
Well, this thread is about beginners. As a beginner, I don't want to dive on a homemade, untested unit. It would be more dangerous than diving properly trained on an existing unit, even if this unit doesn't fit my idea 100%.

Cheers!

I stand by what I said,eventually you will have to make a decision,do or don't
it is your choice.I am curious as to what you will choose?

all the best.

Chernish · 29th June 2007, 13:32

Thanks for your replys, Gill and mountain diver

Gill,
All analogies are wrong by definition. I however didn't realize that this analogy was so wrong and that people would want to go directly deep down. My experience relates with yours as I am too a recreational air diver.

moutain diver,
My bad for not expressing myself properly, and uncompletely at that

. I was merely trying to answer your question, it wasn't meant to sound like a generalization. *I* am ok about *learning* to dive with someone else's idea of a CCR. I would actually be afraid of learning CCRs with a creation of my own. I guess I am no pioneer. Once I'll have learnt, this will possibly be different, but I want learning and experience before I venture there.

I'd put somethig about my choice here, but I prefer to think a little bit about how to say it.

While I am thinking about it : don't hesitate to tell me when I say complete bollocks. I am still gathering information about rebreathers before taking the plunge (haha), so any constructive criticism of any stupid idea I can have is welcome

Cheers!

26th June 2007, 19:32	#31 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 192	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? interesting to note, all purchase's made are alway's made on your personal opinion whatever the scr,mccr or eccr is bought.the result is there is more personal opinion out there then,factual.trying out someone's breather once or twice, or test diving one will give you an idea about the unit but the end result is still the same, your no where closer to what you want. with that said, here's my experience. researched rebreathers for two years before i made my choice, meg. reason modularity. has seen some changes over time. s/n 057 the only advice i'm willing to give, what ever you choose for a rebreather master it. all the best, Dan.
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26th June 2007, 21:18	#32 (permalink)
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26th June 2007, 21:59	#33 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 192	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by Johnny Christensen) One could add: Or it will not look much like what you originally bought, should you decide to keep the first one the reason for modularity
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26th June 2007, 23:14	#34 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,302	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) But we shouldn't really push these notions about our "ideal" product for someone else to try... i think it's valuable to share what one's reasoning for going in the direction that one has chosen. Surely it's impossible to base all our choices on experience. I think spelling out our likes and dislikes about various units is just fine even for the ones we don't have first hand experience. If someone is going on about their thoughts on design and features of any given unit it's quite obvious by the list of their owned units whether they are speaking from first hand experience... both direct experience and conclusions from study have value as long as they are kept in perspective. IMHO __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 27th June 2007 at 19:51.
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27th June 2007, 19:02	#35 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 192	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) i think it's valuable to share what one's reasoning is for going in the direction that one has chosen. Surely it's impossible to base all our choices on experience. I think spelling out our likes and dislikes about various units is just fine even for the ones we don't have first hand experience. If someone is going on about their thoughts on design and features of any given unit it's quite obvious by the list of their owned units whether they are speaking from first hand experience... both direct experience and conclusions from study have value as long as they are kept in perspective. IMHO keeping thing's in perspective is alway's a good thing. what I find interesting is this, unless you manufacture your own rebreather you will alway's dive someone else's idea.the question that one need's to ask oneself is, are you o.k. with that?
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28th June 2007, 09:40	#36 (permalink)
Chernish New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 9	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Hello, I am a beginner to Rebreather - I don't even have one in fact, which is why I am doubly interested by this thread. I am thinking by analogy to OC : choosing a Rebreather is like choosing your equipment for OC. Shouldn't we ask ourselves which RB a beginner should not use? We will find out that the RB we do not want a beginner to use are the bad ones (duh) and the complicated ones. Then you choose amongst the remaing ones and this choice will depend on availability, training, advice of friends, goals, personal inclination, ... By analogy to OC: you do not throw a fresh OW in the water with a full hypoxic Trimix gear. But the exact brand of the regulator doesn't really matter. Even tough it has fueled countless feuds in countless threads in countless forums. Quote: (Originally Posted by mountain diver) keeping thing's in perspective is alway's a good thing. what I find interesting is this, unless you manufacture your own rebreather you will alway's dive someone else's idea.the question that one need's to ask oneself is, are you o.k. with that? Well, this thread is about beginners. As a beginner, I don't want to dive on a homemade, untested unit. It would be more dangerous than diving properly trained on an existing unit, even if this unit doesn't fit my idea 100%. Cheers!
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28th June 2007, 16:45	#37 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,302	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Welcome chernish, As tempting as your analogy is, it does not lend itself very well to the realm of rebreathers, IMHO. I've only been in it for a year or so and still essentially a newbie but I can relate a few things. What is appropriate for each individual is quite different when it comes to even one's first rebreather. what you plan on doing with it determines a lot about your prioritization, which in tern can drastically effect which unit you might go with. Your background, of course, will also effect what you are ready for. many folks already have deep diving/mixed gas training and experience, so going head long into deep rebreather diving does not seem unusual from pretty much the get go. that was not the case for me, I went from recreational air diver to constant po2. Only took nitrox training as a prerequisite to Rebreather training. In any case, I still see the value of starting out manually even on an eCCR at least to really get the visisitudes of po2 changes engrained into ones being. g Quote: (Originally Posted by Chernish) Hello, I am a beginner to Rebreather - I don't even have one in fact, which is why I am doubly interested by this thread. I am thinking by analogy to OC : choosing a Rebreather is like choosing your equipment for OC. Shouldn't we ask ourselves which RB a beginner should not use? We will find out that the RB we do not want a beginner to use are the bad ones (duh) and the complicated ones. Then you choose amongst the remaing ones and this choice will depend on availability, training, advice of friends, goals, personal inclination, ... By analogy to OC: you do not throw a fresh OW in the water with a full hypoxic Trimix gear. But the exact brand of the regulator doesn't really matter. Even tough it has fueled countless feuds in countless threads in countless forums. Well, this thread is about beginners. As a beginner, I don't want to dive on a homemade, untested unit. It would be more dangerous than diving properly trained on an existing unit, even if this unit doesn't fit my idea 100%. Cheers! __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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28th June 2007, 19:18	#38 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 192	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Quote: (Originally Posted by Chernish) Hello, I am a beginner to Rebreather - I don't even have one in fact, which is why I am doubly interested by this thread. I am thinking by analogy to OC : choosing a Rebreather is like choosing your equipment for OC. Shouldn't we ask ourselves which RB a beginner should not use? We will find out that the RB we do not want a beginner to use are the bad ones (duh) and the complicated ones. Then you choose amongst the remaing ones and this choice will depend on availability, training, advice of friends, goals, personal inclination, ... By analogy to OC: you do not throw a fresh OW in the water with a full hypoxic Trimix gear. But the exact brand of the regulator doesn't really matter. Even tough it has fueled countless feuds in countless threads in countless forums. Well, this thread is about beginners. As a beginner, I don't want to dive on a homemade, untested unit. It would be more dangerous than diving properly trained on an existing unit, even if this unit doesn't fit my idea 100%. Cheers! I stand by what I said,eventually you will have to make a decision,do or don't it is your choice.I am curious as to what you will choose? all the best.
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29th June 2007, 13:32	#39 (permalink)
Chernish New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 9	Re: The Right CCR for starting on? Thanks for your replys, Gill and mountain diver Gill, All analogies are wrong by definition. I however didn't realize that this analogy was so wrong and that people would want to go directly deep down. My experience relates with yours as I am too a recreational air diver. moutain diver, My bad for not expressing myself properly, and uncompletely at that . I was merely trying to answer your question, it wasn't meant to sound like a generalization. I am ok about learning to dive with someone else's idea of a CCR. I would actually be afraid of learning CCRs with a creation of my own. I guess I am no pioneer. Once I'll have learnt, this will possibly be different, but I want learning and experience before I venture there. I'd put somethig about my choice here, but I prefer to think a little bit about how to say it. While I am thinking about it : don't hesitate to tell me when I say complete bollocks. I am still gathering information about rebreathers before taking the plunge (haha), so any constructive criticism of any stupid idea I can have is welcome Cheers!
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