BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf

***jradomski*** · 26th March 2007, 16:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime)

Were there o-rings (or plans for them) in those plates to seal it against fluid leaking? When he took them out they seemed tight into the recess but, in my recollection, they didn't seem to be sealed at the show. I didn't get a close up look of how the plates fit into the recess though.

I was told they were going to be potted

***schford*** · 26th March 2007, 16:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Actually, they *all* pay to have their labels sewn on.... none of them make any of this stuff from start to end. It's all just a market of assembled commercial commodities. How many companies make BC bladders in the world. Three?

Nah it is more than that.... I know of 4 sets of people / companies who have RF fancy plastic welding machines and do it for a start and that does not include anyone in china and the fact I don't to know everyone.

onetime · 26th March 2007, 16:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

I was told they were going to be potted

Ahhh, that makes sense. Thanks.

Dave Sutton · 26th March 2007, 18:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

I was told they were going to be potted

Not what I got, as the batteries are there and the entire area needs to be re-entered semi-regularly. He might have been being "propriatary" and was not giving you the full skinny.

Dave

Dave Sutton · 26th March 2007, 18:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Nah it is more than that.... I know of 4 sets of people / companies who have RF fancy plastic welding machines and do it for a start and that does not include anyone in china and the fact I don't to know everyone.

Numbers were not meant to be accurate, just relative: I've never been on the floor of any dive equipment manufacturer and found in-house BC manufacture. I *have* actually been at one that does in-house high pressure cylinder manufacture though.... Spare Air, strangely enough.

Can I say that "much" (and likely "most") of the diving equipment that is sold is simply privately labelled equipment that is made by outside suppliers, sometimes to particular spec, and other times simply as labeled generic product?

Dave

***jradomski*** · 26th March 2007, 18:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Not what I got, as the batteries are there and the entire area needs to be re-entered semi-regularly. He might have been being "propriatary" and was not giving you the full skinny.

Dave

It looked like there were 2 seperate "chambers" when I looked into it I just saw wires, and the guy said that area would be potted.. I didn't pop off the other cap..

Dave Sutton · 26th March 2007, 18:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime)

Were there o-rings (or plans for them) in those plates to seal it against fluid leaking? When he took them out they seemed tight into the recess but, in my recollection, they didn't seem to be sealed at the show. I didn't get a close up look of how the plates fit into the recess though.

Yes, I asked this specifically and the plates will be O-Ring sealed.

Dave

Dave Sutton · 26th March 2007, 18:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

It looked like there were 2 seperate "chambers" when I looked into it I just saw wires, and the guy said that area would be potted.. I didn't pop off the other cap..

When I asked him, he looked around, said that he would prefer not to say the "material" because there were too many ears listening, and then told me the specific gravity of the stuff.... which I recognized immediately. I'll defer to his expressed wishes and not say more.

Dave

***jradomski*** · 26th March 2007, 18:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

When I asked him, he looked around, said that he would prefer not to say the "material" because there were too many ears listening, and then told me the specific gravity of the stuff.... which I recognized immediately. I'll defer to his expressed wishes and not say more.

Dave

I like the look of the material, my only possible concern is that it has a rough surface and MIGHT be a hospitable place for bacteria.. but thats something that will be seen in the future..

Dave Sutton · 26th March 2007, 19:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

I like the look of the material, my only possible concern is that it has a rough surface and MIGHT be a hospitable place for bacteria.. but thats something that will be seen in the future..

Think we've diverged the discussion, I was speaking to the "potting material" for the innards of the electronics.

The stuff the can is made of is neat, surface finish was, as you say, "Cat's Tounge" but it'll be easy to wrestle with wet hands. Thought the inside surface finish was fine.

Dave

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26th March 2007, 16:52	#52 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,674	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Actually, they all pay to have their labels sewn on.... none of them make any of this stuff from start to end. It's all just a market of assembled commercial commodities. How many companies make BC bladders in the world. Three? Nah it is more than that.... I know of 4 sets of people / companies who have RF fancy plastic welding machines and do it for a start and that does not include anyone in china and the fact I don't to know everyone. __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use Last edited by schford : 26th March 2007 at 16:59.
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26th March 2007, 16:57	#53 (permalink)
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26th March 2007, 18:30	#54 (permalink)
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26th March 2007, 18:34	#55 (permalink)
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26th March 2007, 18:34	#56 (permalink)
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26th March 2007, 18:34	#57 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime) Were there o-rings (or plans for them) in those plates to seal it against fluid leaking? When he took them out they seemed tight into the recess but, in my recollection, they didn't seem to be sealed at the show. I didn't get a close up look of how the plates fit into the recess though. Yes, I asked this specifically and the plates will be O-Ring sealed. Dave
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26th March 2007, 18:37	#58 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) It looked like there were 2 seperate "chambers" when I looked into it I just saw wires, and the guy said that area would be potted.. I didn't pop off the other cap.. When I asked him, he looked around, said that he would prefer not to say the "material" because there were too many ears listening, and then told me the specific gravity of the stuff.... which I recognized immediately. I'll defer to his expressed wishes and not say more. Dave
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26th March 2007, 18:42	#59 (permalink)
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26th March 2007, 19:04	#60 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) I like the look of the material, my only possible concern is that it has a rough surface and MIGHT be a hospitable place for bacteria.. but thats something that will be seen in the future.. Think we've diverged the discussion, I was speaking to the "potting material" for the innards of the electronics. The stuff the can is made of is neat, surface finish was, as you say, "Cat's Tounge" but it'll be easy to wrestle with wet hands. Thought the inside surface finish was fine. Dave
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