BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf

dive2dive2000 · 26th March 2007, 02:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter)

I don't know if we can trust you Dave as you are on OMS's payroll

Who are going to be making the electronics for them? The OMS guy in the video seems to know a lot about the planned electronics considering they aren't built yet. I also wasn't impressed with his explaination as to why they put the O2 on the left. "I dive a Prism...It's what I'm comfortable with." ????

Ever do any public speaking? some times when being filmed you don't always articulate what is on your mind. The O2 is on the exhalation CL because it will mix faster with current gas in loop there fore easier to maintain or raise loop PO2 the faster you get an accurate PO2 reading the faster you know if you need to add more O2 or not.

chunter · 26th March 2007, 02:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by dive2dive2000)

Ever do any public speaking? some times when being filmed you don't always articulate what is on your mind. The O2 is on the exhalation CL because it will mix faster with current gas in loop there fore easier to maintain or raise loop PO2 the faster you get an accurate PO2 reading the faster you know if you need to add more O2 or not.

Yes...actually a lot. The truth sometimes comes out when you don't have time to script a better answer.

dive2dive2000 · 26th March 2007, 02:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

Come off it Dave you aren't fooling anyone. It is so heavily influenced by the PRISM it isn't funny. Pete Ready even had a big hand in it's development before he and OMS parted company.

Even the tanks are on the wrong side

Hi Steve,

Dave Weber has been a Prism diver and one of the very first customers. The plumbing, loop flow, scrubber, and loop volume, are a true mirror of the Prism but the head and electronics right down to the secondary are night and day. If you go to SMI web site you will see a link to Grey wolfs web site. Dave has been making after market back plates for PRISM for a while. This is two totally different companies, and yes this definitely evolved from a PRISM but you will see major differences if and when she hits the market.

I personally wish they were the same this material is the cats ass (the dogs bollocks for you

) The Prism would be almost flawless

if it ever incorporated this new fiber plastic

OceanOpportunity · 26th March 2007, 02:27

watched the video..the material does appear quite robust...wonder if it gets brittle with cold with such a high glass content. I agree with the consensus that the statement 'oxygen on left becuase that's what I'm used to' left little convincing. Can't we have some consistency out there...all we need if for folks to dive an inspo all day then this thing the next day and be jamming on teh o2 thinking its their dil. I'd like to see the data about the claims on the baffles in the can...condensation walls and such

Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law)

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/photo...o/3448/cat/534

Above is the link to the Rebreather World interview with David Weber at DEMA.

Regards

dive2dive2000 · 26th March 2007, 02:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter)

Yes...actually a lot. The truth sometimes comes out when you don't have time to script a better answer.

I know there is a reason behind why Steam Machines did it that way, but I can't say I like it. When the O2 is added into the exhalation counterlung, you breathe it before it runs by the sensors. I also don't understand the reasoning that it will register faster because the 02 would hit the sensors faster if it went into the exhalation counterlung first.

Your explanation and response makes no sense, or your understanding of loop direction and activity.

Under your profile you list you dive a mk15

Were do you think the PRISM evolved from,

OceanOpportunity · 26th March 2007, 02:35

agreed...O2 injection into exhale counterlung is a good thing...time to mix thoroughly over scrubber media (sorry for disagreeing with you meg folks)...and if my failing mind has any ccr cells left in it...the o2 sensors should be the last thing in the loop between you and your next breath...

Quote: (Originally Posted by dive2dive2000)

Your explanation and response makes no sense, or your understanding of loop direction and activity.

Under your profile you list you dive a mk15

Were do you think the PRISM evolved from,

dive2dive2000 · 26th March 2007, 02:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by OceanOpportunity)

agreed...O2 injection into exhale counterlung is a good thing...time to mix thoroughly over scrubber media (sorry for disagreeing with you meg folks)...and if my failing mind has any ccr cells left in it...the o2 sensors should be the last thing in the loop between you and your next breath...

Shhh don't tell Leon, but I know some Meg divers who switch over there O2 feed

One of the great things about the Meg she truly is versatile

chunter · 26th March 2007, 06:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by dive2dive2000)

Your explanation and response makes no sense, or your understanding of loop direction and activity.

HMMMM...I reread my post, and I typed "exhalation" instead of "inhalation". I didn't realize the Prism breathes right to left.

I'm the first to admit that I'm not a Prism expert..please accept my deepest appologies.

By the way...the Mk15 still has the 02 button on the right. I'm not in for a pissing contest here, I just think it's a bit strange putting the 02 on the left. There are other reasons I don't like the OMS unit, or the Prism for that matter. What's the deal with the diluent solenoid? I can't imagine the buoyancy problems you would run into if a solenoid (either one) stuck open. Would both fire together????

Aloha,
Charlie

***caveseeker7*** · 26th March 2007, 07:25

Hi Dave,

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

The Prism mimics lots of the Mark-15, and I'm not sure why Peter gets upset when I say that the Prism is an architectural clone of the Mark-15.

and

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

I spent two hours yesterday tearing it down to the last screw and O-Ring and trust me: It's *nothing* like a Prism.

don't quite seem to go together.

The enitire layout of the OMS looks a lot more like a PRISM to me than the PRISM to a MK15 ... maybe just an optical illusion.

***jradomski*** · 26th March 2007, 12:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter)

I don't know if we can trust you Dave as you are on OMS's payroll

Who are going to be making the electronics for them? The OMS guy in the video seems to know a lot about the planned electronics considering they aren't built yet. I also wasn't impressed with his explaination as to why they put the O2 on the left. "I dive a Prism...It's what I'm comfortable with." ????

I would prefer o2 addition on the right (the old right rich addage).. Even with reverse flow you can still have o2 on the right WITHOUT having to send it into the inhale counter-lung.. Tracy's Shadow Pack has a right to left flow with o2 addition on the right and it does not go into the inhale lung..

26th March 2007, 02:02	#21 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 776	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter) I don't know if we can trust you Dave as you are on OMS's payroll Who are going to be making the electronics for them? The OMS guy in the video seems to know a lot about the planned electronics considering they aren't built yet. I also wasn't impressed with his explaination as to why they put the O2 on the left. "I dive a Prism...It's what I'm comfortable with." ???? Ever do any public speaking? some times when being filmed you don't always articulate what is on your mind. The O2 is on the exhalation CL because it will mix faster with current gas in loop there fore easier to maintain or raise loop PO2 the faster you get an accurate PO2 reading the faster you know if you need to add more O2 or not. __________________ Safe Diving, Martin "but what's the fun of getting what you need, instead of what you want?"
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26th March 2007, 02:11	#22 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 455	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by dive2dive2000) Ever do any public speaking? some times when being filmed you don't always articulate what is on your mind. The O2 is on the exhalation CL because it will mix faster with current gas in loop there fore easier to maintain or raise loop PO2 the faster you get an accurate PO2 reading the faster you know if you need to add more O2 or not. Yes...actually a lot. The truth sometimes comes out when you don't have time to script a better answer. __________________ "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson "Hobgoblin is a cool word." - Charlie Last edited by chunter : 26th March 2007 at 07:03.
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26th March 2007, 02:18	#23 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 776	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) Come off it Dave you aren't fooling anyone. It is so heavily influenced by the PRISM it isn't funny. Pete Ready even had a big hand in it's development before he and OMS parted company. Even the tanks are on the wrong side Hi Steve, Dave Weber has been a Prism diver and one of the very first customers. The plumbing, loop flow, scrubber, and loop volume, are a true mirror of the Prism but the head and electronics right down to the secondary are night and day. If you go to SMI web site you will see a link to Grey wolfs web site. Dave has been making after market back plates for PRISM for a while. This is two totally different companies, and yes this definitely evolved from a PRISM but you will see major differences if and when she hits the market. I personally wish they were the same this material is the cats ass (the dogs bollocks for you) The Prism would be almost flawless if it ever incorporated this new fiber plastic __________________ Safe Diving, Martin "but what's the fun of getting what you need, instead of what you want?"
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26th March 2007, 02:27	#24 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 465	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf watched the video..the material does appear quite robust...wonder if it gets brittle with cold with such a high glass content. I agree with the consensus that the statement 'oxygen on left becuase that's what I'm used to' left little convincing. Can't we have some consistency out there...all we need if for folks to dive an inspo all day then this thing the next day and be jamming on teh o2 thinking its their dil. I'd like to see the data about the claims on the baffles in the can...condensation walls and such Quote: (Originally Posted by Barrie Law) http://www.rebreatherworld.com/photo...o/3448/cat/534 Above is the link to the Rebreather World interview with David Weber at DEMA. Regards __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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26th March 2007, 02:29	#25 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 776	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter) Yes...actually a lot. The truth sometimes comes out when you don't have time to script a better answer. I know there is a reason behind why Steam Machines did it that way, but I can't say I like it. When the O2 is added into the exhalation counterlung, you breathe it before it runs by the sensors. I also don't understand the reasoning that it will register faster because the 02 would hit the sensors faster if it went into the exhalation counterlung first. Your explanation and response makes no sense, or your understanding of loop direction and activity. Under your profile you list you dive a mk15 Were do you think the PRISM evolved from, __________________ Safe Diving, Martin "but what's the fun of getting what you need, instead of what you want?"
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26th March 2007, 02:35	#26 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 465	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf agreed...O2 injection into exhale counterlung is a good thing...time to mix thoroughly over scrubber media (sorry for disagreeing with you meg folks)...and if my failing mind has any ccr cells left in it...the o2 sensors should be the last thing in the loop between you and your next breath... Quote: (Originally Posted by dive2dive2000) Your explanation and response makes no sense, or your understanding of loop direction and activity. Under your profile you list you dive a mk15 Were do you think the PRISM evolved from, __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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26th March 2007, 02:50	#27 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 776	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by OceanOpportunity) agreed...O2 injection into exhale counterlung is a good thing...time to mix thoroughly over scrubber media (sorry for disagreeing with you meg folks)...and if my failing mind has any ccr cells left in it...the o2 sensors should be the last thing in the loop between you and your next breath... Shhh don't tell Leon, but I know some Meg divers who switch over there O2 feed One of the great things about the Meg she truly is versatile __________________ Safe Diving, Martin "but what's the fun of getting what you need, instead of what you want?"
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26th March 2007, 06:58	#28 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 455	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by dive2dive2000) Your explanation and response makes no sense, or your understanding of loop direction and activity. HMMMM...I reread my post, and I typed "exhalation" instead of "inhalation". I didn't realize the Prism breathes right to left. I'm the first to admit that I'm not a Prism expert..please accept my deepest appologies. By the way...the Mk15 still has the 02 button on the right. I'm not in for a pissing contest here, I just think it's a bit strange putting the 02 on the left. There are other reasons I don't like the OMS unit, or the Prism for that matter. What's the deal with the diluent solenoid? I can't imagine the buoyancy problems you would run into if a solenoid (either one) stuck open. Would both fire together???? Aloha, Charlie __________________ "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson "Hobgoblin is a cool word." - Charlie Last edited by chunter : 26th March 2007 at 07:36.
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26th March 2007, 07:25	#29 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,287	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Hi Dave, Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) The Prism mimics lots of the Mark-15, and I'm not sure why Peter gets upset when I say that the Prism is an architectural clone of the Mark-15. and Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) I spent two hours yesterday tearing it down to the last screw and O-Ring and trust me: It's nothing like a Prism. don't quite seem to go together. The enitire layout of the OMS looks a lot more like a PRISM to me than the PRISM to a MK15 ... maybe just an optical illusion. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,799	Re: BTS-saw new OMS/Grey Wolf Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter) I don't know if we can trust you Dave as you are on OMS's payroll Who are going to be making the electronics for them? The OMS guy in the video seems to know a lot about the planned electronics considering they aren't built yet. I also wasn't impressed with his explaination as to why they put the O2 on the left. "I dive a Prism...It's what I'm comfortable with." ???? I would prefer o2 addition on the right (the old right rich addage).. Even with reverse flow you can still have o2 on the right WITHOUT having to send it into the inhale counter-lung.. Tracy's Shadow Pack has a right to left flow with o2 addition on the right and it does not go into the inhale lung.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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