Trimix CCR training (homebuild)

David Parker · 15th February 2008, 13:56

Yeah I currently dive a MCCR Dolphin, & am interested in the future at some point if there is anyone who would run a trimix course on a homebuild. While I see a lot of courses out there they all seem to be on branded systems.

So does anyone offer a trimix course for home builders or is it a case of having to stick on a pair of twins for the course ??

Cheers
Dave

scubagrunt · 15th February 2008, 14:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker)

Yeah I currently dive a MCCR Dolphin, & am interested in the future at some point if there is anyone who would run a trimix course on a homebuild. While I see a lot of courses out there they all seem to be on branded systems.

So does anyone offer a trimix course for home builders or is it a case of having to stick on a pair of twins for the course ??

Cheers
Dave

the problem is most training agencies only allow instructors to train on "brand" units per the standards. the problem with taking OC trimix is you will miss a lot of CCR specific infomation. hopefully someone over on that side of the pond can help you. worst case see if a ccr trimix instructor will give you all the ccr trimix info in a oc trimix course. also get a "ccr Trimix Simplified" manual that will help too (contact curt silentscuba)
mel

***caveseeker7*** · 15th February 2008, 14:36

IANTD has a plain CCR Trimix card, so I suggest trying instructors for that agency.
And I'd try Kiss instructors first if that's the valve you use.

Dräger had originally planned an 80m version of the Dolphin with gas switching capabilty.
Went so far as to work on training with ANDI.

So the fact that it's a Dolphin shouldn't be a problem, really, and the Kiss valve is used during Classic Kiss trimix training ... just a combination of the two.

Good luck.

**Dave Sutton** · 15th February 2008, 14:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker)

Yeah I currently dive a MCCR Dolphin, & am interested in the future at some point if there is anyone who would run a trimix course on a homebuild.

Yes, under RSDAS (set up exactly for this sort of reason), but you need to travel here to do the work. It's the RSDAS "unique rebreather" course and the card would be unit specific (Draeger Dolphin modified to mCCR).

Really, what I would do if I were you would be to do a local KISS trimix class, to get the training needed, do a Draeger SCC Dolphin course to get a card marked "Draeger" and then to carry both cards and plan on the fact that nobody will notice that you have a mCCR Dolphin on the boat.

Dave

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Ben Field · 15th February 2008, 16:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

do a local KISS trimix class

Rarer than chickens teeth in the UK... think there are 3 instructors tops,
compared to 100's? of Inspiration intructors.

David Parker · 15th February 2008, 17:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Rarer than chickens teeth in the UK... think there are 3 instructors tops,
compared to 100's? of Inspiration intructors.

Any idea who the 3 are ????

***Decodiver*** · 15th February 2008, 17:56

David,

PM me a phone number and I will call you over the weekend.

I can teach you a generic CCR trimix course but for liability reasons this would need to be in Switzerland.

A homebuild would cause huge dilemmas for HSE compliant training.

As long as your unit is well built and you can document the necessary hours on it, there should be no problem, after all you are seeking training to make your diving safer, that is a cerebral step and one that should not be shunned.

I am a KISS instructor also

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Ben Field · 15th February 2008, 22:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker)

Any idea who the 3 are ????

PM Sent

(Fellow Essex Man- good show!)

David Parker · 19th February 2008, 17:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

David,

As long as your unit is well built and you can document the necessary hours on it

Yeah what sort of hours are required ?????

si_b_lanzarote · 20th February 2008, 22:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker)

Yeah what sort of hours are required ?????

PSAI Trimix prerequisites are: 250 logged dives, 100 on the ccr and 50 deeper than 30m if i recall correctly, this is also something i have looked into, both from the point of local legislation and with regards to insurance and found all to be no problem, so it is offered here too.

regards si

15th February 2008, 13:56	#1 (permalink)
David Parker New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 61	Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Yeah I currently dive a MCCR Dolphin, & am interested in the future at some point if there is anyone who would run a trimix course on a homebuild. While I see a lot of courses out there they all seem to be on branded systems. So does anyone offer a trimix course for home builders or is it a case of having to stick on a pair of twins for the course ?? Cheers Dave
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15th February 2008, 14:18	#2 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 453	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker) Yeah I currently dive a MCCR Dolphin, & am interested in the future at some point if there is anyone who would run a trimix course on a homebuild. While I see a lot of courses out there they all seem to be on branded systems. So does anyone offer a trimix course for home builders or is it a case of having to stick on a pair of twins for the course ?? Cheers Dave the problem is most training agencies only allow instructors to train on "brand" units per the standards. the problem with taking OC trimix is you will miss a lot of CCR specific infomation. hopefully someone over on that side of the pond can help you. worst case see if a ccr trimix instructor will give you all the ccr trimix info in a oc trimix course. also get a "ccr Trimix Simplified" manual that will help too (contact curt silentscuba) mel __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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15th February 2008, 14:36	#3 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,577	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) IANTD has a plain CCR Trimix card, so I suggest trying instructors for that agency. And I'd try Kiss instructors first if that's the valve you use. Dräger had originally planned an 80m version of the Dolphin with gas switching capabilty. Went so far as to work on training with ANDI. So the fact that it's a Dolphin shouldn't be a problem, really, and the Kiss valve is used during Classic Kiss trimix training ... just a combination of the two. Good luck. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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15th February 2008, 14:41	#4 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,971	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker) Yeah I currently dive a MCCR Dolphin, & am interested in the future at some point if there is anyone who would run a trimix course on a homebuild. Yes, under RSDAS (set up exactly for this sort of reason), but you need to travel here to do the work. It's the RSDAS "unique rebreather" course and the card would be unit specific (Draeger Dolphin modified to mCCR). Really, what I would do if I were you would be to do a local KISS trimix class, to get the training needed, do a Draeger SCC Dolphin course to get a card marked "Draeger" and then to carry both cards and plan on the fact that nobody will notice that you have a mCCR Dolphin on the boat. Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids, For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white-laced lips. And you see a girls brown body dancing through the turquoise, And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea. And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body, Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind......
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15th February 2008, 16:03	#5 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,822	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) do a local KISS trimix class Rarer than chickens teeth in the UK... think there are 3 instructors tops, compared to 100's? of Inspiration intructors. __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer, don't listen to Puppeteers and RTFM!
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15th February 2008, 17:16	#6 (permalink)
David Parker New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 61	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Rarer than chickens teeth in the UK... think there are 3 instructors tops, compared to 100's? of Inspiration intructors. Any idea who the 3 are ????
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15th February 2008, 17:56	#7 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,200	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) David, PM me a phone number and I will call you over the weekend. I can teach you a generic CCR trimix course but for liability reasons this would need to be in Switzerland. A homebuild would cause huge dilemmas for HSE compliant training. As long as your unit is well built and you can document the necessary hours on it, there should be no problem, after all you are seeking training to make your diving safer, that is a cerebral step and one that should not be shunned. I am a KISS instructor also Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,822	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker) Any idea who the 3 are ???? PM Sent (Fellow Essex Man- good show!) __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer, don't listen to Puppeteers and RTFM!
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19th February 2008, 17:37	#9 (permalink)
David Parker New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 61	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) David, As long as your unit is well built and you can document the necessary hours on it Yeah what sort of hours are required ?????
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si_b_lanzarote RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Megalodon Ouroboros Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 121	Re: Trimix CCR training (homebuild) Quote: (Originally Posted by David Parker) Yeah what sort of hours are required ????? PSAI Trimix prerequisites are: 250 logged dives, 100 on the ccr and 50 deeper than 30m if i recall correctly, this is also something i have looked into, both from the point of local legislation and with regards to insurance and found all to be no problem, so it is offered here too. regards si __________________ http://www.thediveshoplanzarote.com
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