Which BOV (OC/CC DSV)...

decoweenie · 3rd July 2005, 18:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skipbreather)

As I said, I realize not everyone has the tools/ ability to build these sorts of things, but hopefully I’ve gotten the creative wheels turning in those of you who do- and in those who want to learn. Let the Derlin & brass chips fly!

There are Rebreather technicians and there are Rebreather divers. And I am the latter but happy that there are Rebreather technicians out there. Being proficient at one doesn't mean that one qualifies for the other as well. A RB is just a mean/tool to do the diving as far as I see...

Just because someone dives a Rebreather, it doesn't necessary mean that s/he wants to be spending time making gears instead of diving...

TechBlue · 3rd July 2005, 20:04

[quote=Padowan]Looking at getting an OC/CC DSV for my YBOD

The options I see available are:

KISS
NemoTech (Filip Krolak's)
Bob Howell
Divematics

Hi Simon,

Gordon's DSV is the lightest on the market and we did make adapters that allow the use of inspo valves but as the man says it gets expensive, I would also wait to see what Gordon's new unit looks like which by all accounts is very close to release. Tracy's are available and you can use any second stage you'd like. NemoTech has terrible delivery issues, we used to carry them but stopped because of that and I just got another letter from a customer that sent in his money and after many false promises now can't get hold of Filip so he is looking for his home address to have a friend drop by and try and get his money back.

Ken, nice job on your home build but as Phi says not for everybody, we have been selling the QC's for quite a while and they are readily available and we supply the hoses in custom lengths.

RobPot · 3rd July 2005, 20:51

Hi Simon,

Of your selection the easiest to get hold of will probably be the KISS and simplest to fit - have a look here for a selection of adapters (using either KISS or AP Valves one-way valves).
As for the WoB - I wouldn't know as I've only ever used the KISS. Allegedly the work is less easy than an Inspiration, why not borrow AM's mouthpiece for a test - PM me and I'll loan you a set of adapters to try it out on your Inspiration.

Quote:

Gordon has a way of improving ... (displays, hose connectors, and now the DSV...

)

And some would argue that they are indeed improvements, but ...

Robert

TechBlue · 3rd July 2005, 22:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by RobPot)

Hi Simon,

Of your selection the easiest to get hold of will probably be the KISS and simplest to fit - have a look here for a selection of adapters (using either KISS or AP Valves one-way valves).
As for the WoB - I wouldn't know as I've only ever used the KISS. Allegedly the work is less easy than an Inspiration, why not borrow AM's mouthpiece for a test - PM me and I'll loan you a set of adapters to try it out on your Inspiration.

And some would argue that they are indeed improvements, but ...

Robert

I suppose I should take it as a compliment that Divelife liked my design enough to copy it

ROB DAVIE · 4th July 2005, 01:19

Quote from N. Manfield, Afghanistan:As Simon knows well, I've got one of Philip's OC/DSVs and as he is doubly aware I've had it for a year and not used it. I would say that the delivery time is very long and the payment process APITA. It looks and feels very well made though I think I need a visit to the gym to be able to turn it on and off. Anyone else found this problem or is it just a case of regreasing (if so what sort) or any other cunning ploy that needs to be used ?

Just a couple of notes, folks:

(1) I note that some people are mentioning Bob Howell as a DSV source, but he no longer produces life-support equipment for sale anywhere in the EU.

(2) If you try the Divematics OC/DSV, you will find that it is extremely easy to switch it back and forth. I do it with just two fingers. And, yes, he will build it with ANY second stage you desire.

Cheers!

Rob

Mdemon · 4th July 2005, 08:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE)

Quote from N. Manfield, Afghanistan:As Simon knows well, I've got one of Philip's OC/DSVs and as he is doubly aware I've had it for a year and not used it. I would say that the delivery time is very long and the payment process APITA. It looks and feels very well made though I think I need a visit to the gym to be able to turn it on and off. Anyone else found this problem or is it just a case of regreasing (if so what sort) or any other cunning ploy that needs to be used ?

Just a couple of notes, folks:

(1) I note that some people are mentioning Bob Howell as a DSV source, but he no longer produces life-support equipment for sale anywhere in the EU.

(2) If you try the Divematics OC/DSV, you will find that it is extremely easy to switch it back and forth. I do it with just two fingers. And, yes, he will build it with ANY second stage you desire.

Cheers!

Rob

Bob doesn't, but there is a guy out there with a small supply of them and there are also some which appear on eBay from time to time.

It's a nice piece of kit and worth including in the discussion.

I also think DIY is a valid option and was impressed by the home-build above. If you have the skills and the tools then why not? Isn't half the fun of RBs the fettling and thinking that goes on in our garages and workshops??!

For piece of mind and instant gratification, fine, buy one (I did). But you have to pay the fair premium which manufacturers of this specialist piece of kit have to charge or go out of business. Not everyone has that amount of money to spend or is willing to spend it on a mouthpiece.

It's only a valve at the end of the day...

SINUS · 4th July 2005, 12:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

There are Rebreather technicians and there are Rebreather divers. And I am the latter but happy that there are Rebreather technicians out there.

Phi,

You modified RB80 to XCR and building SK-phi box, INSPO/EVO streamline frames. Aren't all that qualify you a Rebreather technician too?.

Regards

Wei lan

Philippe GERIN · 5th July 2005, 15:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skipbreather)

One other thing going on in the pictures that may not be readily apparent is the quick disconnect attaching the OC supply hose to the DSV. I’ve not seen anything like it for sale anywhere.
Ken Swain

QDs are commercialy available. I used to use Ocean reef Neptune FFM QD.
http://www.rebreatherworld.com/galle...php?i=769&c=19
Deeper than 50m, it still provides good good flow for a redundant suit inflation but it's good only for sanity breaths OC as the flow is reduced too much .
Best
Philippe

decoweenie · 5th July 2005, 16:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by SINUS)

You modified RB80 to XCR and building SK-phi box, INSPO/EVO streamline frames. Aren't all that qualify you a Rebreather technician too?.

I hope not...

I only try to make something whenever I need it specifically, and I can't find anyone offering the products commercially. Otherwise, I would prefer to spend the freetime diving instead.

HelenM · 18th August 2005, 10:08

Can I just bump this one up in the hope that I might get a few more opinions?

To be more specific, having concluded that a DSV is a bit of kit I definitely want to bung onto my Inspo, I'm trying to decide between a Divematics and a Nemotech ... all thoughts / experiences / advice gratefully received.

Thanks in advance,
Helen

3rd July 2005, 18:34	#11 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by Skipbreather) As I said, I realize not everyone has the tools/ ability to build these sorts of things, but hopefully I’ve gotten the creative wheels turning in those of you who do- and in those who want to learn. Let the Derlin & brass chips fly! There are Rebreather technicians and there are Rebreather divers. And I am the latter but happy that there are Rebreather technicians out there. Being proficient at one doesn't mean that one qualifies for the other as well. A RB is just a mean/tool to do the diving as far as I see... Just because someone dives a Rebreather, it doesn't necessary mean that s/he wants to be spending time making gears instead of diving...
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3rd July 2005, 20:04	#12 (permalink)
TechBlue RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Optima Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Costa del Sol, Spain Posts: 212	[quote=Padowan]Looking at getting an OC/CC DSV for my YBOD The options I see available are: KISS NemoTech (Filip Krolak's) Bob Howell Divematics Hi Simon, Gordon's DSV is the lightest on the market and we did make adapters that allow the use of inspo valves but as the man says it gets expensive, I would also wait to see what Gordon's new unit looks like which by all accounts is very close to release. Tracy's are available and you can use any second stage you'd like. NemoTech has terrible delivery issues, we used to carry them but stopped because of that and I just got another letter from a customer that sent in his money and after many false promises now can't get hold of Filip so he is looking for his home address to have a friend drop by and try and get his money back. Ken, nice job on your home build but as Phi says not for everybody, we have been selling the QC's for quite a while and they are readily available and we supply the hoses in custom lengths. __________________ Cheers, Chris www.tech-blue.com The site dedicated to Rebreather and Technical diving "We only sell what we dive"
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3rd July 2005, 20:51	#13 (permalink)
RobPot Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portishead - Gateway to the South West Posts: 180	Hi Simon, Of your selection the easiest to get hold of will probably be the KISS and simplest to fit - have a look here for a selection of adapters (using either KISS or AP Valves one-way valves). As for the WoB - I wouldn't know as I've only ever used the KISS. Allegedly the work is less easy than an Inspiration, why not borrow AM's mouthpiece for a test - PM me and I'll loan you a set of adapters to try it out on your Inspiration. Quote: Gordon has a way of improving ... (displays, hose connectors, and now the DSV... ) And some would argue that they are indeed improvements, but ... Robert
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3rd July 2005, 22:06	#14 (permalink)
TechBlue RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Optima Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Costa del Sol, Spain Posts: 212	Quote: (Originally Posted by RobPot) Hi Simon, Of your selection the easiest to get hold of will probably be the KISS and simplest to fit - have a look here for a selection of adapters (using either KISS or AP Valves one-way valves). As for the WoB - I wouldn't know as I've only ever used the KISS. Allegedly the work is less easy than an Inspiration, why not borrow AM's mouthpiece for a test - PM me and I'll loan you a set of adapters to try it out on your Inspiration. And some would argue that they are indeed improvements, but ... Robert I suppose I should take it as a compliment that Divelife liked my design enough to copy it __________________ Cheers, Chris www.tech-blue.com The site dedicated to Rebreather and Technical diving "We only sell what we dive"
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4th July 2005, 01:19	#15 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Quote from N. Manfield, Afghanistan:As Simon knows well, I've got one of Philip's OC/DSVs and as he is doubly aware I've had it for a year and not used it. I would say that the delivery time is very long and the payment process APITA. It looks and feels very well made though I think I need a visit to the gym to be able to turn it on and off. Anyone else found this problem or is it just a case of regreasing (if so what sort) or any other cunning ploy that needs to be used ? Just a couple of notes, folks: (1) I note that some people are mentioning Bob Howell as a DSV source, but he no longer produces life-support equipment for sale anywhere in the EU. (2) If you try the Divematics OC/DSV, you will find that it is extremely easy to switch it back and forth. I do it with just two fingers. And, yes, he will build it with ANY second stage you desire. Cheers! Rob __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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4th July 2005, 08:41	#16 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,904	Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE) Quote from N. Manfield, Afghanistan:As Simon knows well, I've got one of Philip's OC/DSVs and as he is doubly aware I've had it for a year and not used it. I would say that the delivery time is very long and the payment process APITA. It looks and feels very well made though I think I need a visit to the gym to be able to turn it on and off. Anyone else found this problem or is it just a case of regreasing (if so what sort) or any other cunning ploy that needs to be used ? Just a couple of notes, folks: (1) I note that some people are mentioning Bob Howell as a DSV source, but he no longer produces life-support equipment for sale anywhere in the EU. (2) If you try the Divematics OC/DSV, you will find that it is extremely easy to switch it back and forth. I do it with just two fingers. And, yes, he will build it with ANY second stage you desire. Cheers! Rob Bob doesn't, but there is a guy out there with a small supply of them and there are also some which appear on eBay from time to time. It's a nice piece of kit and worth including in the discussion. I also think DIY is a valid option and was impressed by the home-build above. If you have the skills and the tools then why not? Isn't half the fun of RBs the fettling and thinking that goes on in our garages and workshops??! For piece of mind and instant gratification, fine, buy one (I did). But you have to pay the fair premium which manufacturers of this specialist piece of kit have to charge or go out of business. Not everyone has that amount of money to spend or is willing to spend it on a mouthpiece. It's only a valve at the end of the day... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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4th July 2005, 12:54	#17 (permalink)
SINUS Rebreather Aficionado Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 137km from equator Posts: 199	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) There are Rebreather technicians and there are Rebreather divers. And I am the latter but happy that there are Rebreather technicians out there. Phi, You modified RB80 to XCR and building SK-phi box, INSPO/EVO streamline frames. Aren't all that qualify you a Rebreather technician too?. Regards Wei lan __________________ "Silence Is Always Beautiful"
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5th July 2005, 15:31	#18 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 633	Quote: (Originally Posted by Skipbreather) One other thing going on in the pictures that may not be readily apparent is the quick disconnect attaching the OC supply hose to the DSV. I’ve not seen anything like it for sale anywhere. Ken Swain QDs are commercialy available. I used to use Ocean reef Neptune FFM QD. http://www.rebreatherworld.com/galle...php?i=769&c=19 Deeper than 50m, it still provides good good flow for a redundant suit inflation but it's good only for sanity breaths OC as the flow is reduced too much . Best Philippe
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5th July 2005, 16:38	#19 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by SINUS) You modified RB80 to XCR and building SK-phi box, INSPO/EVO streamline frames. Aren't all that qualify you a Rebreather technician too?. I hope not... I only try to make something whenever I need it specifically, and I can't find anyone offering the products commercially. Otherwise, I would prefer to spend the freetime diving instead.
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18th August 2005, 10:08	#20 (permalink)
HelenM Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cheltenham Posts: 118	Can I just bump this one up in the hope that I might get a few more opinions? To be more specific, having concluded that a DSV is a bit of kit I definitely want to bung onto my Inspo, I'm trying to decide between a Divematics and a Nemotech ... all thoughts / experiences / advice gratefully received. Thanks in advance, Helen __________________ Would paper take tortoise?
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