BOV and WOB

***diverklondike*** · 13th April 2006, 12:51

When you consider WOB and performance at depth for a BOV you need to look at how it operates in both modes.... As a CCR DSV and in OC mode....

I know that Martin Parker has made several comments that he has yet to see a BOV that performs to what his expectations are in both modes...

To bad that all of the demand in this area has not been enough for him to speed up the development of an AP product...

M

ROB DAVIE · 13th April 2006, 13:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

I know that Martin Parker has made several comments that he has yet to see a BOV that performs to what his expectations are in both modes...
M

That is because he doesn't dive a Divematics BOV...YET!

***caveseeker7*** · 13th April 2006, 17:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

I know that Martin Parker has made several comments that he has yet to see a BOV that performs to what his expectations are in both modes...

To bad that all of the demand in this area has not been enough for him to speed up the development of an AP product...

As they say in Germany, better a sparrow in your hand than a dove on the roof.
The best BOV isn't any good if you can't have it.

Same with rebreathers, look at the Infinito.

It MAY well be that AP's BOV will turn out better than any current offering.
But that's a big MAY and you can't have it yet. So who cares?
Divematics has BOV's ready to ship, that's all there is to it.

***diverklondike*** · 13th April 2006, 17:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

As they say in Germany, better a sparrow in your hand than a dove on the roof.
The best BOV isn't any good if you can't have it.

Same with rebreathers, look at the Infinito.

It MAY well be that AP's BOV will turn out better than any current offering.
But that's a big MAY and you can't have it yet. So who cares?
Divematics has BOV's ready to ship, that's all there is to it.

I fully agree... That's why I will have one of the new BOV's from Golem before the months out...

rusty · 13th April 2006, 18:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by nigelh)

*shrug*
My BOV is plumbed into the DIL so I'm only on it as a tempory measure.

This looks like another example of asking the wrong question. If you are going to bail out OC you do just that. The BOV is just a stop gap, a short term solution. It provides those 'sanity' breaths we need to decide if the loop is our problem and allows us to break out of the CO2 'can't stop' dilema. The WOB can be as bad as an AutoAir tightened up so it doesn't freeflow for all I care. All I need is that it works when I need it.

Incidentally... does anybody know what the WOB on a conventional snorkel is like? If back mounted C/Ls are a problem...

Nigel,

your missing the point I think. A BOV might be a short term solution but you are breathing it when your in CCR mode arent you?

Therefore I would want the WOB to be as good as the stock AP mounthpiece when in CCR mode and if it breathes well in OC mode at depth then I will be comfortable bailing out to it. I have tried BOV's that felt like you were sucking through a straw in OC mode at 100meters. I noticed some people mentioning they carry a stage below certain depths? I cant think of a shallow dive I would not want at least 40cf of bailiout gas?

Your attempt at bashing is lacking, try and add to this forum not show how witty you can be. Thanks

**nigelh** · 13th April 2006, 20:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by rusty)

Therefore I would want the WOB to be as good as the stock AP mounthpiece when in CCR mode and if it breathes well in OC mode at depth then I will be comfortable bailing out to it.

Agreed but I have the Bob Howel BOV and I would expect that the huge open spaces inside it mean that in CC mode it is as good as the original. It does have the snag that when 'closed' and feeding the regulator it does not have an easy bypass route if you are flushing the loop.

Quote:

I have tried BOV's that felt like you were sucking through a straw in OC mode at 100meters.

You are way beyond me there. I have not tried mine beyond 55m.

Quote:

I noticed some people mentioning they carry a stage below certain depths? I cant think of a shallow dive I would not want at least 40cf of bailiout gas?

I don't bother no-stop diving. I carry a 3L/300bar pony if I'm diving with a guy on a single to act as a donatable 'octopus'.

Quote:

Your attempt at bashing is lacking, try and add to this forum not show how witty you can be. Thanks

I do my best. If my writing style is not to your taste it's probably because I'm an engineer - we're not that good at that stuff.

ROB DAVIE · 13th April 2006, 20:42

Now, now boys and girls, let's all calm down and grab another handful of Zoloft or Prozac and get mellow again!!

rusty · 13th April 2006, 21:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE)

Now, now boys and girls, let's all calm down and grab another handful of Zoloft or Prozac and get mellow again!!

No Zoloft or Prozac,

A couple of shots and some Beers will work for me though, anybody want in I will buy the first two rounds. Nigel your invited, the only catch is you guys have to show up here(Monterey) but I will take you on some epic dives here in the bay on my boat.

Might be a good excuse to come visit, If any of you are ever in the area contact me.

J.R.Gauthier · 13th April 2006, 22:46

What's a CCR dive like on Zoloft?

RebreatherDave · 13th April 2006, 23:20

Extremely mellow.....

13th April 2006, 12:51	#11 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,563	Re: BOV and WOB When you consider WOB and performance at depth for a BOV you need to look at how it operates in both modes.... As a CCR DSV and in OC mode.... I know that Martin Parker has made several comments that he has yet to see a BOV that performs to what his expectations are in both modes... To bad that all of the demand in this area has not been enough for him to speed up the development of an AP product... M
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13th April 2006, 13:08	#12 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Re: BOV and WOB Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) I know that Martin Parker has made several comments that he has yet to see a BOV that performs to what his expectations are in both modes... M That is because he doesn't dive a Divematics BOV...YET! __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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13th April 2006, 17:13	#13 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,435	Re: BOV and WOB Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) I know that Martin Parker has made several comments that he has yet to see a BOV that performs to what his expectations are in both modes... To bad that all of the demand in this area has not been enough for him to speed up the development of an AP product... As they say in Germany, better a sparrow in your hand than a dove on the roof. The best BOV isn't any good if you can't have it. Same with rebreathers, look at the Infinito. It MAY well be that AP's BOV will turn out better than any current offering. But that's a big MAY and you can't have it yet. So who cares? Divematics has BOV's ready to ship, that's all there is to it. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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13th April 2006, 17:30	#14 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,563	Re: BOV and WOB Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) As they say in Germany, better a sparrow in your hand than a dove on the roof. The best BOV isn't any good if you can't have it. Same with rebreathers, look at the Infinito. It MAY well be that AP's BOV will turn out better than any current offering. But that's a big MAY and you can't have it yet. So who cares? Divematics has BOV's ready to ship, that's all there is to it. I fully agree... That's why I will have one of the new BOV's from Golem before the months out...
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13th April 2006, 18:25	#15 (permalink)
rusty Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros rEvo Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA,Monterey,CA Posts: 171	Re: BOV and WOB Quote: (Originally Posted by nigelh) shrug My BOV is plumbed into the DIL so I'm only on it as a tempory measure. This looks like another example of asking the wrong question. If you are going to bail out OC you do just that. The BOV is just a stop gap, a short term solution. It provides those 'sanity' breaths we need to decide if the loop is our problem and allows us to break out of the CO2 'can't stop' dilema. The WOB can be as bad as an AutoAir tightened up so it doesn't freeflow for all I care. All I need is that it works when I need it. Incidentally... does anybody know what the WOB on a conventional snorkel is like? If back mounted C/Ls are a problem... Nigel, your missing the point I think. A BOV might be a short term solution but you are breathing it when your in CCR mode arent you? Therefore I would want the WOB to be as good as the stock AP mounthpiece when in CCR mode and if it breathes well in OC mode at depth then I will be comfortable bailing out to it. I have tried BOV's that felt like you were sucking through a straw in OC mode at 100meters. I noticed some people mentioning they carry a stage below certain depths? I cant think of a shallow dive I would not want at least 40cf of bailiout gas? Your attempt at bashing is lacking, try and add to this forum not show how witty you can be. Thanks __________________ Best Regards, Russ Sanoian U/W Sales 831-645-1082 www.backscatter.com Breaching the Boundaries of the Abyss With Underwater Imaging Innovations Last edited by rusty : 13th April 2006 at 18:39.
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13th April 2006, 20:10	#16 (permalink)
nigelh New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 825	Re: BOV and WOB Quote: (Originally Posted by rusty) Therefore I would want the WOB to be as good as the stock AP mounthpiece when in CCR mode and if it breathes well in OC mode at depth then I will be comfortable bailing out to it. Agreed but I have the Bob Howel BOV and I would expect that the huge open spaces inside it mean that in CC mode it is as good as the original. It does have the snag that when 'closed' and feeding the regulator it does not have an easy bypass route if you are flushing the loop. Quote: I have tried BOV's that felt like you were sucking through a straw in OC mode at 100meters. You are way beyond me there. I have not tried mine beyond 55m. Quote: I noticed some people mentioning they carry a stage below certain depths? I cant think of a shallow dive I would not want at least 40cf of bailiout gas? I don't bother no-stop diving. I carry a 3L/300bar pony if I'm diving with a guy on a single to act as a donatable 'octopus'. Quote: Your attempt at bashing is lacking, try and add to this forum not show how witty you can be. Thanks I do my best. If my writing style is not to your taste it's probably because I'm an engineer - we're not that good at that stuff. __________________ nigelh
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13th April 2006, 20:42	#17 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Re: BOV and WOB Now, now boys and girls, let's all calm down and grab another handful of Zoloft or Prozac and get mellow again!!
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13th April 2006, 21:05	#18 (permalink)
rusty Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros rEvo Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA,Monterey,CA Posts: 171	Re: BOV and WOB Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE) Now, now boys and girls, let's all calm down and grab another handful of Zoloft or Prozac and get mellow again!! No Zoloft or Prozac, A couple of shots and some Beers will work for me though, anybody want in I will buy the first two rounds. Nigel your invited, the only catch is you guys have to show up here(Monterey) but I will take you on some epic dives here in the bay on my boat. Might be a good excuse to come visit, If any of you are ever in the area contact me. __________________ Best Regards, Russ Sanoian U/W Sales 831-645-1082 www.backscatter.com Breaching the Boundaries of the Abyss With Underwater Imaging Innovations
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13th April 2006, 22:46	#19 (permalink)
J.R.Gauthier New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 20	Re: BOV and WOB What's a CCR dive like on Zoloft?
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13th April 2006, 23:20	#20 (permalink)
RebreatherDave Maximum **** Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s:** Join Date: May 2005 Location: L.A., where the debris meets the sea Posts: 227	Re: BOV and WOB Extremely mellow.....
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