bov - wob figures

stoneyfrog · 15th January 2012, 19:24

it`s coming slowly to a point that i need to start to think about replacing my bov on my classic kiss , but the only figures that i can find are for the shrimp ,so how can i compare the figures with say the new kiss one or any of the others that are out there . dose anyone know why vr changed from a xtream to apex reg also ?

cheers andy

Andy T · 15th January 2012, 19:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by stoneyfrog)

it`s coming slowly to a point that i need to start to think about replacing my bov on my classic kiss , but the only figures that i can find are for the shrimp ,so how can i compare the figures with say the new kiss one or any of the others that are out there . dose anyone know why vr changed from a xtream to apex reg also ?

cheers andy

You don't say what you have at the moment. The original Paragon is pretty grim, in my opinion the Mares is significantly better - but still not great. The Golem BOV is better still - no numbers to back that up, just a personal observation.

Andy

davermo · 15th January 2012, 20:10

I modified my KISS BOV to fit my Xstream instead...

Only thing i'm not impressed with with the KISS BOV are the one way valves... definate gona make new ones with better flappers... or... maybe get a golemgear BOV

//Andreas

stoneyfrog · 15th January 2012, 21:22

hi guys,
i have a old kiss bov which has cyclon on at the mo,which i`m not happy with the fitting !!!
but i too want to inprove wob .....
is there no one that prints the figures on the stuff they want to flog you

Andy Del · 15th January 2012, 21:34

My KISS BOV had the nasty paragon 2nd stage at first, you cold breathe from it, even at 80m, but you really didn't WANT to.

I changed it over to a Mares 2nd stage, and the OC part was significantly better.

My perception of WOB on CC was of breathing with my tongue in the way ALL the time. In a sense it kept me from going gung ho at times, but it wasn't great breathing. AP BOV that I later put on was an order of magnitude better to my senses. JJ BOV is similar.

Bottom line is the old version of the KISS BOV, as ground breaking as it was for its day, isn't all that flash by today's standards. Anything is pretty much an improvement.

cheers

Andy

Packhorse · 16th January 2012, 01:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by davermo)

I modified my KISS BOV to fit my Xstream instead...

Only thing i'm not impressed with with the KISS BOV are the one way valves... definate gona make new ones with better flappers... or... maybe get a golemgear BOV

//Andreas

I used a Aqualung Mikron.

Then I removed the flapper valves and replaced them with the ones out of my rEvo DSV ( Draegar).
This was a huge improvement. But I would still prefer a Shrimp.

davermo · 16th January 2012, 10:31

Thanks Packhorse!
Any tips of what you needed to modify to fit the Draeger flappers?

//Andreas

lof · 16th January 2012, 16:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by stoneyfrog)

hi guys,

is there no one that prints the figures on the stuff they want to flog you

The Shrimp WOB chart is posted right on the page
http://www.golemgear.com/images/docu...mpWOBChart.pdf
see a link to WOB chart on this page.
Gole Gear Shrimp BOV Standard For Hammerhead, Kiss, Optima, Ouroboros rebreathers

stoneyfrog · 16th January 2012, 20:47

thanks lof,
i had seen that you do quote them , did say that in my first post

and all good for you for doing so as i still have not found anything for any one else !!!!
have seen some one on here had moded old bov and put new flappers in , i do think it was you pack horse , was thinking of having a look at doing it to , but if i can find better then why mess

........may be cuase i cant help it

what things would you like to know before you bought a new bov and parted with your hard earned ........???

wob figures oc and cc
dead space volume
size and make of flapper values
can it be quickly changed from one rebreather to another with q/c

theres three to start anyone got any others ?

Packhorse · 17th January 2012, 08:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by davermo)

Thanks Packhorse!
Any tips of what you needed to modify to fit the Draeger flappers?

//Andreas

New spools need to be machined although no mods to the BOV its self need to be made.

Since the pics in the following thread were taken I had reduced the length of the spools.

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/bail-...mp-my-bov.html

15th January 2012, 19:24	#1 (permalink)
stoneyfrog RBW Member kiss sport/classic, home build dolphin Join Date: May 2007 Location: in the middle of no where!!! uk Posts: 74	bov - wob figures it`s coming slowly to a point that i need to start to think about replacing my bov on my classic kiss , but the only figures that i can find are for the shrimp ,so how can i compare the figures with say the new kiss one or any of the others that are out there . dose anyone know why vr changed from a xtream to apex reg also ? cheers andy
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15th January 2012, 19:37	#2 (permalink)
Andy T RBW Member Mk 15 Classic KISS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UAE Posts: 129	Re: bov - wob figures Quote: (Originally Posted by stoneyfrog) it`s coming slowly to a point that i need to start to think about replacing my bov on my classic kiss , but the only figures that i can find are for the shrimp ,so how can i compare the figures with say the new kiss one or any of the others that are out there . dose anyone know why vr changed from a xtream to apex reg also ? cheers andy You don't say what you have at the moment. The original Paragon is pretty grim, in my opinion the Mares is significantly better - but still not great. The Golem BOV is better still - no numbers to back that up, just a personal observation. Andy
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15th January 2012, 20:10	#3 (permalink)
davermo RBW Member Inspiration Classic IDA-71 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 123	Re: bov - wob figures I modified my KISS BOV to fit my Xstream instead... Only thing i'm not impressed with with the KISS BOV are the one way valves... definate gona make new ones with better flappers... or... maybe get a golemgear BOV //Andreas
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15th January 2012, 21:22	#4 (permalink)
stoneyfrog RBW Member kiss sport/classic, home build dolphin Join Date: May 2007 Location: in the middle of no where!!! uk Posts: 74	Re: bov - wob figures hi guys, i have a old kiss bov which has cyclon on at the mo,which i`m not happy with the fitting !!! but i too want to inprove wob ..... is there no one that prints the figures on the stuff they want to flog you
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15th January 2012, 21:34	#5 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 659	Re: bov - wob figures My KISS BOV had the nasty paragon 2nd stage at first, you cold breathe from it, even at 80m, but you really didn't WANT to. I changed it over to a Mares 2nd stage, and the OC part was significantly better. My perception of WOB on CC was of breathing with my tongue in the way ALL the time. In a sense it kept me from going gung ho at times, but it wasn't great breathing. AP BOV that I later put on was an order of magnitude better to my senses. JJ BOV is similar. Bottom line is the old version of the KISS BOV, as ground breaking as it was for its day, isn't all that flash by today's standards. Anything is pretty much an improvement. cheers Andy
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16th January 2012, 01:45	#6 (permalink)
Packhorse RBW Member rEvoIII mini mCCR RG-UMF,IDA 71 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Auckland New Zealand Posts: 986	Re: bov - wob figures Quote: (Originally Posted by davermo) I modified my KISS BOV to fit my Xstream instead... Only thing i'm not impressed with with the KISS BOV are the one way valves... definate gona make new ones with better flappers... or... maybe get a golemgear BOV //Andreas I used a Aqualung Mikron. Then I removed the flapper valves and replaced them with the ones out of my rEvo DSV ( Draegar). This was a huge improvement. But I would still prefer a Shrimp.
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16th January 2012, 10:31	#7 (permalink)
davermo RBW Member Inspiration Classic IDA-71 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 123	Re: bov - wob figures Thanks Packhorse! Any tips of what you needed to modify to fit the Draeger flappers? //Andreas
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16th January 2012, 16:38	#8 (permalink)
lof RBW Master Plumber Hammerhead Meg,Prizm,RB80,LARV,MK15,HomeB Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,286	Re: bov - wob figures Quote: (Originally Posted by stoneyfrog) hi guys, is there no one that prints the figures on the stuff they want to flog you The Shrimp WOB chart is posted right on the page http://www.golemgear.com/images/docu...mpWOBChart.pdf see a link to WOB chart on this page. Gole Gear Shrimp BOV Standard For Hammerhead, Kiss, Optima, Ouroboros rebreathers __________________ Jakub Golem Gear ShopKeeper www.golemgear.com
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16th January 2012, 20:47	#9 (permalink)
stoneyfrog RBW Member kiss sport/classic, home build dolphin Join Date: May 2007 Location: in the middle of no where!!! uk Posts: 74	Re: bov - wob figures thanks lof, i had seen that you do quote them , did say that in my first post and all good for you for doing so as i still have not found anything for any one else !!!! have seen some one on here had moded old bov and put new flappers in , i do think it was you pack horse , was thinking of having a look at doing it to , but if i can find better then why mess ........may be cuase i cant help it what things would you like to know before you bought a new bov and parted with your hard earned ........??? wob figures oc and cc dead space volume size and make of flapper values can it be quickly changed from one rebreather to another with q/c theres three to start anyone got any others ?
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17th January 2012, 08:52	#10 (permalink)
Packhorse RBW Member rEvoIII mini mCCR RG-UMF,IDA 71 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Auckland New Zealand Posts: 986	Re: bov - wob figures Quote: (Originally Posted by davermo) Thanks Packhorse! Any tips of what you needed to modify to fit the Draeger flappers? //Andreas New spools need to be machined although no mods to the BOV its self need to be made. Since the pics in the following thread were taken I had reduced the length of the spools. http://www.rebreatherworld.com/bail-...mp-my-bov.html
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