So which OC/DSV is best?

rogeringebo · 10th March 2006, 12:26

Is there any photos around on the new Jetsam BOV?

Best Rodge

**trob09** · 10th March 2006, 12:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

I have heard that it will be later in the year... Origionally it was planned for around now before Gordon passed away. Jetsam will be at BTS in two weeks and I will see if they can provide further details.

Dive Safe...

Mark

Maybe I'll run into you at BTS Mark.

I am hoping there will be some information on the new Jetsam valve, otherwise I am looking into the Divematics BOV.

Tim

rogeringebo · 10th March 2006, 13:00

Yes,me to....
Any ideas whats the difference between the new and old?...Any idea?

JonnyB · 10th March 2006, 14:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Yes,me to....
Any ideas whats the difference between the new and old?...Any idea?

Well when i met Gordon in October we talked abit about the new BOV, and he said that today the only part of their rebreather not being molded was just the BOV, that piece was 100% handmade. So he said that when the new version was out they would be able to produce 100 sports kisses a day. Another thing about the new version is going to be the weight and the size of it. Also he said it would have a much better regulator.

/Jonny

***Beanie*** · 10th March 2006, 14:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

Well when i met Gordon in October we talked abit about the new BOV, and he said that today the only part of their rebreather not being molded was just the BOV, that piece was 100% handmade. So he said that when the new version was out they would be able to produce 100 sports kisses a day. Another thing about the new version is going to be the weight and the size of it. Also he said it would have a much better regulator.

/Jonny

100 a day

that's good going

BOV hmm could be nice

JonnyB · 10th March 2006, 15:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

100 a day

that's good going

BOV hmm could be nice

My understanding is that all the parts on the sport kiss are molded and its just a machine that pumps out parts, then there are people assembling them. That is going to be the slow process. Nor to i believe there will be the demand of ever producing such a number of machines anyway. But he was looking forward to it.

/Jonny

Genesis · 10th March 2006, 15:54

Jetsam recently told me (when I tried to buy a BOV from them) that they were not available for aftermarket sales at present and they had no idea when they would be. I assume this is due to whatever production they are running now being dedicated to new units (makes sense) rather than retrofits.

So I'd say that until they address supply issues the only "currently available" BOV which you can buy for any arbitrary Rebreather is the DiveMatics.

Injection molding is not cost-effective for small runs (e.g. 10s) but sure is for larger ones (100s+); the mold costs are way out of proportion but once you have them cranking out the parts is both fast and inexpensive.

***caveseeker7*** · 10th March 2006, 17:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Any ideas whats the difference between the new and old?...Any idea?

The new one Gordon showed me at DEMA was a bit more streamlined
than the current one, with a lever on top to switch from OC to CC.
Rather than a large twist knob.

The main difference though were the one way valves, they were side hinged
like a submarine hatch, rather than center mounted. That appearantly allows
for good stiffness (needed to seal) while opening with quite a bit less effort.

From conversations with Gordon, Tracy and Pete, there seems to be a fine
line between sealing and WOB, and it's based on the flexibilty of the valve.
Thinking out of the box once again, Gordon seems to have found a way.

I miss him

Jonny is correct regarding the manufacture of the current BOV, it's the limiting
factor in Jetsam's capabilities. It's time and money consuming.

Karl, remember that Gordon was a toolmaker by trade. He build anything from a compressor to a WOB testing machine himself. Helps to keep the costs down. Jetsam is but a small portion of what they're doing up there. Just visit the kiss manufacturing website.

Genesis · 10th March 2006, 17:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Jonny is correct regarding the manufacture of the current BOV, it's the limiting
factor in Jetsam's capabilities. It's time and money consuming.

Karl, remember that Gordon was a toolmaker by trade. He build anything from a compressor to a WOB testing machine himself. Helps to keep the costs down. Jetsam is but a small portion of what they're doing up there. Just visit the kiss manufacturing website.

Oh I understand that..... but if you want a BOV right now, you can't get a Jetsam one. I tried and was told that not only were there none for sale, there was no projected date when there would be.

I would have been more than happy to fork up the money for one of theirs, but you can't buy what's not available!

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rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 691	Re: So wich one is best? Is there any photos around on the new Jetsam BOV? Best Rodge
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JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 961	Re: So wich one is best? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Yes,me to.... Any ideas whats the difference between the new and old?...Any idea? Well when i met Gordon in October we talked abit about the new BOV, and he said that today the only part of their rebreather not being molded was just the BOV, that piece was 100% handmade. So he said that when the new version was out they would be able to produce 100 sports kisses a day. Another thing about the new version is going to be the weight and the size of it. Also he said it would have a much better regulator. /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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*Beanie* Close to that red button Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,207	Re: So wich one is best? Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) Well when i met Gordon in October we talked abit about the new BOV, and he said that today the only part of their rebreather not being molded was just the BOV, that piece was 100% handmade. So he said that when the new version was out they would be able to produce 100 sports kisses a day. Another thing about the new version is going to be the weight and the size of it. Also he said it would have a much better regulator. /Jonny 100 a day that's good going BOV hmm could be nice __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 961	Re: So wich one is best? Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) 100 a day that's good going BOV hmm could be nice My understanding is that all the parts on the sport kiss are molded and its just a machine that pumps out parts, then there are people assembling them. That is going to be the slow process. Nor to i believe there will be the demand of ever producing such a number of machines anyway. But he was looking forward to it. /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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10th March 2006, 15:54	#17 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,394	Re: So which OC/DSV is best? Jetsam recently told me (when I tried to buy a BOV from them) that they were not available for aftermarket sales at present and they had no idea when they would be. I assume this is due to whatever production they are running now being dedicated to new units (makes sense) rather than retrofits. So I'd say that until they address supply issues the only "currently available" BOV which you can buy for any arbitrary Rebreather is the DiveMatics. Injection molding is not cost-effective for small runs (e.g. 10s) but sure is for larger ones (100s+); the mold costs are way out of proportion but once you have them cranking out the parts is both fast and inexpensive. __________________ "A venturesome minority will always be eager to get off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks for Godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American." http://www.denninger.net http://www.diversunion.org/liability.htm - Fix the Diving Cert racket
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10th March 2006, 17:51	#18 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,435	Re: Jetsam DSV Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Any ideas whats the difference between the new and old?...Any idea? The new one Gordon showed me at DEMA was a bit more streamlined than the current one, with a lever on top to switch from OC to CC. Rather than a large twist knob. The main difference though were the one way valves, they were side hinged like a submarine hatch, rather than center mounted. That appearantly allows for good stiffness (needed to seal) while opening with quite a bit less effort. From conversations with Gordon, Tracy and Pete, there seems to be a fine line between sealing and WOB, and it's based on the flexibilty of the valve. Thinking out of the box once again, Gordon seems to have found a way. I miss him Jonny is correct regarding the manufacture of the current BOV, it's the limiting factor in Jetsam's capabilities. It's time and money consuming. Karl, remember that Gordon was a toolmaker by trade. He build anything from a compressor to a WOB testing machine himself. Helps to keep the costs down. Jetsam is but a small portion of what they're doing up there. Just visit the kiss manufacturing website. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,394	Re: Jetsam DSV Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Jonny is correct regarding the manufacture of the current BOV, it's the limiting factor in Jetsam's capabilities. It's time and money consuming. Karl, remember that Gordon was a toolmaker by trade. He build anything from a compressor to a WOB testing machine himself. Helps to keep the costs down. Jetsam is but a small portion of what they're doing up there. Just visit the kiss manufacturing website. Oh I understand that..... but if you want a BOV right now, you can't get a Jetsam one. I tried and was told that not only were there none for sale, there was no projected date when there would be. I would have been more than happy to fork up the money for one of theirs, but you can't buy what's not available! __________________ "A venturesome minority will always be eager to get off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks for Godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American." http://www.denninger.net http://www.diversunion.org/liability.htm - Fix the Diving Cert racket
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