Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ?

colinicky · 20th March 2008, 18:23

Just wondered what peoples thoughts were about the new AP BOV . The thing that concerns me is that if you "twist " the DSV on an Inspo it either takes the mouthpiece away from you or twists the hoses & puts stress on your jaw to hang onto it , whereas the other BOVS (Golum, Divematics,V4tec) rely on twisting the knob which does not affect the hoses or mouthpiece . Would the new AP offering when switched to OC produce significant jaw ache on a long bailed out deco due to the "twist on the hoses ? (For the sake of clarity I do realise you could twist the hoses while in OC mode to make it more comfortable but that is not the point !)

Ben Field · 20th March 2008, 20:43

Surely this question can only be answered by an AP test diver?
Its due Q2, so sometime in April-June we get the answer (more likely later)

In the mean time I'd guess (hope) they tested this....

colinicky · 20th March 2008, 20:56

I agree with you but lets be fair AP aren't exactly forth coming with info

So I thought I would ask the masses

SimonK · 20th March 2008, 21:05

You are assuming that the new BOV works in the same way as the existing DSV, dose the mouthpiece move when switching from CC to OC? Maybe a trawl through the photos in the gallery would answer that?

Simon

Ben Field · 20th March 2008, 21:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK)

You are assuming that the new BOV works in the same way as the existing DSV, dose the mouthpiece move when switching from CC to OC? Maybe a trawl through the photos in the gallery would answer that?

Simon

The BOV shown at the dive show in '07 rotated to switch from CC/ADV to OC (apparently) the one on show at LIDS was CC to OC according to the marks on the yellow index ring.

As an aside- its beautifully made, from what I saw.

colinicky · 20th March 2008, 21:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK)

You are assuming that the new BOV works in the same way as the existing DSV, dose the mouthpiece move when switching from CC to OC? Maybe a trawl through the photos in the gallery would answer that?

Simon

Yes it works the same as the current DSV.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

The BOV shown at the dive show in '07 rotated to switch from CC/ADV to OC (apparently) the one on show at LIDS was CC to OC according to the marks on the yellow index ring.

As an aside- its beautifully made, from what I saw.

I definitely agree with you ,it is very nicely made .Lids was my first chance to see it so I never saw the version with ADV .

***Beanie*** · 20th March 2008, 21:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)

I agree with you but lets be fair AP aren't exactly forth coming with info

So I thought I would ask the masses

AP have learnt not to release info before its ready for release.

The unruly children that we are cause them headaches

jptaylor9 · 20th March 2008, 22:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

The BOV shown at the dive show in '07 rotated to switch from CC/ADV to OC (apparently) the one on show at LIDS was CC to OC according to the marks on the yellow index ring

The prototype at the last NEC show had 3 positions, the one at LIDS had been changed to 2 positions (OC/CCR), it no longer had an ADV built in.

divetheworld · 20th March 2008, 23:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9)

The prototype at the last NEC show had 3 positions, the one at LIDS had been changed to 2 positions (OC/CCR), it no longer had an ADV built in.

Im pleased, ADV in the mouthpeice would mean Dil being directly inspired. Not a good idea for big He hypoxic gas in the shallows.

The switch method means the loop would only be off by 15-20 degrees. Makes little difference.
I wouldnt have thought a BOV would be used for extended periods.

Brent

colinicky · 21st March 2008, 07:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

I wouldnt have thought a BOV would be used for extended periods.

Brent

When I bailed of to OC using a Kiss BOV I stayed on the BOV from the bottom till on the boat .(from about 35m, total including deco about 15 minutes )

Brent you are doing a good job of swaying me away from your divematics !

20th March 2008, 18:23	#1 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Just wondered what peoples thoughts were about the new AP BOV . The thing that concerns me is that if you "twist " the DSV on an Inspo it either takes the mouthpiece away from you or twists the hoses & puts stress on your jaw to hang onto it , whereas the other BOVS (Golum, Divematics,V4tec) rely on twisting the knob which does not affect the hoses or mouthpiece . Would the new AP offering when switched to OC produce significant jaw ache on a long bailed out deco due to the "twist on the hoses ? (For the sake of clarity I do realise you could twist the hoses while in OC mode to make it more comfortable but that is not the point !) __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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20th March 2008, 20:43	#2 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,442	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Surely this question can only be answered by an AP test diver? Its due Q2, so sometime in April-June we get the answer (more likely later) In the mean time I'd guess (hope) they tested this.... __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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20th March 2008, 20:56	#3 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? I agree with you but lets be fair AP aren't exactly forth coming with info So I thought I would ask the masses __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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20th March 2008, 21:05	#4 (permalink)
SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? You are assuming that the new BOV works in the same way as the existing DSV, dose the mouthpiece move when switching from CC to OC? Maybe a trawl through the photos in the gallery would answer that? Simon
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20th March 2008, 21:25	#5 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,442	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK) You are assuming that the new BOV works in the same way as the existing DSV, dose the mouthpiece move when switching from CC to OC? Maybe a trawl through the photos in the gallery would answer that? Simon The BOV shown at the dive show in '07 rotated to switch from CC/ADV to OC (apparently) the one on show at LIDS was CC to OC according to the marks on the yellow index ring. As an aside- its beautifully made, from what I saw. __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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20th March 2008, 21:33	#6 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK) You are assuming that the new BOV works in the same way as the existing DSV, dose the mouthpiece move when switching from CC to OC? Maybe a trawl through the photos in the gallery would answer that? Simon Yes it works the same as the current DSV. Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) The BOV shown at the dive show in '07 rotated to switch from CC/ADV to OC (apparently) the one on show at LIDS was CC to OC according to the marks on the yellow index ring. As an aside- its beautifully made, from what I saw. I definitely agree with you ,it is very nicely made .Lids was my first chance to see it so I never saw the version with ADV . __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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*Beanie* Cheif tea maker Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,134	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky) I agree with you but lets be fair AP aren't exactly forth coming with info So I thought I would ask the masses AP have learnt not to release info before its ready for release. The unruly children that we are cause them headaches __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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20th March 2008, 22:24	#8 (permalink)
jptaylor9 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 303	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) The BOV shown at the dive show in '07 rotated to switch from CC/ADV to OC (apparently) the one on show at LIDS was CC to OC according to the marks on the yellow index ring The prototype at the last NEC show had 3 positions, the one at LIDS had been changed to 2 positions (OC/CCR), it no longer had an ADV built in.
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20th March 2008, 23:03	#9 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,511	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9) The prototype at the last NEC show had 3 positions, the one at LIDS had been changed to 2 positions (OC/CCR), it no longer had an ADV built in. Im pleased, ADV in the mouthpeice would mean Dil being directly inspired. Not a good idea for big He hypoxic gas in the shallows. The switch method means the loop would only be off by 15-20 degrees. Makes little difference. I wouldnt have thought a BOV would be used for extended periods. Brent __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Re: Thoughts on AP's new BOV Twist hoses Or Turn knob ? Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) I wouldnt have thought a BOV would be used for extended periods. Brent When I bailed of to OC using a Kiss BOV I stayed on the BOV from the bottom till on the boat .(from about 35m, total including deco about 15 minutes ) Brent you are doing a good job of swaying me away from your divematics ! __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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