Start with a BOV

Explorer · 29th January 2008, 04:09

With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course?

Abbo · 29th January 2008, 04:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer)

With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course?

I had one when I took my Mod 1 on the Pelagian. Who forbids them?

**wedivebc** · 29th January 2008, 04:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer)

With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course?

Most certainly for KISS training.

Lancer4545 · 29th January 2008, 04:27

My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!!

Lance

Abbo · 29th January 2008, 04:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545)

My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!!

Lance

What IS the official ISC view on BOVs? Does it think them unnecessary, or actually discourage them? They are not mentioned in the ISC Meg CCR Manual or the ANDI manual or in the Mel Clark 'CCR Trimix Simplified'. I'd read somewhere that Leon was agin them, though I can't find where I'd read it...

***caveseeker7*** · 29th January 2008, 04:47

If the unit is equipped with it, it will be used during class.
Probably not exclusively, but it'll be part of it.
Otherwise you wouldn't be learning that particular unit,
and unit specific courses would not be needed.

mathias · 29th January 2008, 05:53

If you need a instructor to learning how to use e BOV, something must by very wrong, IMO !

Dutchy · 29th January 2008, 07:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by mathias)

If you need a instructor to learning how to use e BOV, something must by very wrong, IMO !

Not sure if you're just trying to be funny. IF you have a BOV then your first response will be different. Iso open loop or faffing with a regulator you'll just turn the knob, think and then go back or go OC. So it does matter in terms of what you need to do and hence how you need to be trained.
It doesn't make sense to make open loop a second nature when you have a BOV. If you want to embed that response in your cerebral cortex then you'll need to train and train and train and envision doing it when driving to work and train and train... you'll get the picture. It's different.

matt crane · 29th January 2008, 08:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545)

My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!!

Lance

I agree

Mario A. · 29th January 2008, 09:08

I think that manufactures are being pulled by the users to consider it, at least, as an option. So I hope that in a near future there will be more bovs in the market.

View Poll Results: With the concern with CO2 hits, should BOV's be allowed at MOD 1 level of CCR?
Yes, for sure.	81	79.41%
Nope	0	0%
Only if manufactured with CCR unit	9	8.82%
Only if made by approved manufacturer	1	0.98%
Only if approved by training agency	0	0%
With instructor approval	11	10.78%
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29th January 2008, 04:09	#1 (permalink)
Explorer I will teach you a..... Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 754	Start with a BOV With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course? __________________ TRAIN WRECKED.....
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29th January 2008, 04:17	#2 (permalink)
Abbo Going down on Meg Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokyo Posts: 389	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer) With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course? I had one when I took my Mod 1 on the Pelagian. Who forbids them?
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29th January 2008, 04:21	#3 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,358	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer) With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course? Most certainly for KISS training. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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29th January 2008, 04:27	#4 (permalink)
Lancer4545 Closed Circuit Divers Aus Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cairns QLD Australia Posts: 574	Re: Start with a BOV My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!! Lance __________________ You can run but you can't hide! ISC Appointed Megalodon Dealer for East Australia http://www.closedcircuitdivers.com.au info@closedcircuitdivers.com.au
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29th January 2008, 04:41	#5 (permalink)
Abbo Going down on Meg Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokyo Posts: 389	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545) My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!! Lance What IS the official ISC view on BOVs? Does it think them unnecessary, or actually discourage them? They are not mentioned in the ISC Meg CCR Manual or the ANDI manual or in the Mel Clark 'CCR Trimix Simplified'. I'd read somewhere that Leon was agin them, though I can't find where I'd read it...
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29th January 2008, 04:47	#6 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	If the unit is equipped with it, it will be used during class. Probably not exclusively, but it'll be part of it. Otherwise you wouldn't be learning that particular unit, and unit specific courses would not be needed. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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29th January 2008, 05:53	#7 (permalink)
mathias Ouroboros #31 Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland - Murten Posts: 179	Re: Start with a BOV If you need a instructor to learning how to use e BOV, something must by very wrong, IMO ! __________________ Our dreams are other people's nightmares ;-) Plus près du fond, plus loin des cons !
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29th January 2008, 07:26	#8 (permalink)
Dutchy SK#007 Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 699	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by mathias) If you need a instructor to learning how to use e BOV, something must by very wrong, IMO ! Not sure if you're just trying to be funny. IF you have a BOV then your first response will be different. Iso open loop or faffing with a regulator you'll just turn the knob, think and then go back or go OC. So it does matter in terms of what you need to do and hence how you need to be trained. It doesn't make sense to make open loop a second nature when you have a BOV. If you want to embed that response in your cerebral cortex then you'll need to train and train and train and envision doing it when driving to work and train and train... you'll get the picture. It's different. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. = SK #007
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29th January 2008, 08:19	#9 (permalink)
matt crane New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cornwall Posts: 62	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545) My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!! Lance I agree
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29th January 2008, 09:08	#10 (permalink)
Mario A. New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bilbo - Spain Posts: 29	Re: Start with a BOV I think that manufactures are being pulled by the users to consider it, at least, as an option. So I hope that in a near future there will be more bovs in the market.
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