Start with a BOV

Gilles · 29th January 2008, 09:16

I vote yes but, the BOV should not replace a second offboard 2nd stage.

Skill to remove the BOV-DSV to replace with offboard 2nd stage should be developed and practised.

Ever have a mouthpeice disconnect? or need to save a buddy?

divetheworld · 29th January 2008, 09:53

Who thought "Only if made by approved manufacturer" ????
Didnt know MP was a member here......

***Beanie*** · 29th January 2008, 10:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

Who thought "Only if made by approved manufacturer" ????
Didnt know MP was a member here......

do keep up Brent

he would go for the option above anyway

Dutchy · 29th January 2008, 12:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles)

I vote yes but, the BOV should not replace a second offboard 2nd stage.

Skill to remove the BOV-DSV to replace with offboard 2nd stage should be developed and practised.

Ever have a mouthpeice disconnect? or need to save a buddy?

That was an excercise many times repeated during training. You mention other reasons but I think the primary reason is that most often BOV is on onboard diluent which is emptied in a matter of minutes necessitating the switch to the secondary offboard 2nd stage.

***diverklondike*** · 29th January 2008, 13:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

If the unit is equipped with it, it will be used during class.
Probably not exclusively, but it'll be part of it.
Otherwise you wouldn't be learning that particular unit,
and unit specific courses would not be needed.

I know more than one instructor that when suggesting a final "meg" configuration to a student they include a Golem BOV from the start.

They then make this part of the training program.

Hk101gr · 29th January 2008, 14:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545)

My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!!

Lance

I couldn't agree more. They should have been fitted as standard to all commercialy available Rebreather's years ago.

Peter M · 29th January 2008, 14:23

if it adds to safety i say yes, the Sentinel is my first Rebreather and this is one of the reasons i went for it.

Philippe GERIN · 29th January 2008, 19:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles)

I vote yes but, the BOV should not replace a second offboard 2nd stage.
Skill to remove the BOV-DSV to replace with offboard 2nd stage should be developed and practised.
Ever have a mouthpeice disconnect? or need to save a buddy?

This is why it should be there from the start so it's all included in the course.
Best
Philippe

Gilles · 29th January 2008, 22:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

That was an excercise many times repeated during training. You mention other reasons but I think the primary reason is that most often BOV is on onboard diluent which is emptied in a matter of minutes necessitating the switch to the secondary offboard 2nd stage.

Oh yeah, your right

. I'm accustomed to having the BOV fed by offboard (I can switch to onboard if needed). I meant even in this config (which prevents the surprise emptying of a small OB tank).

mattmexico · 29th January 2008, 22:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer)

With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course?

yo

As far as I know they are not forbidden under any training agency standards and are free to choose as a wing style, color or size.

greetings
Matt

View Poll Results: With the concern with CO2 hits, should BOV's be allowed at MOD 1 level of CCR?
Yes, for sure.	81	79.41%
Nope	0	0%
Only if manufactured with CCR unit	9	8.82%
Only if made by approved manufacturer	1	0.98%
Only if approved by training agency	0	0%
With instructor approval	11	10.78%
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29th January 2008, 09:16	#11 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 761	Re: Start with a BOV I vote yes but, the BOV should not replace a second offboard 2nd stage. Skill to remove the BOV-DSV to replace with offboard 2nd stage should be developed and practised. Ever have a mouthpeice disconnect? or need to save a buddy? __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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29th January 2008, 09:53	#12 (permalink)
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*Beanie* Cheif tea maker Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,142	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) Who thought "Only if made by approved manufacturer" ???? Didnt know MP was a member here...... do keep up Brent he would go for the option above anyway __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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29th January 2008, 12:34	#14 (permalink)
Dutchy SK#007 Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 695	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles) I vote yes but, the BOV should not replace a second offboard 2nd stage. Skill to remove the BOV-DSV to replace with offboard 2nd stage should be developed and practised. Ever have a mouthpeice disconnect? or need to save a buddy? That was an excercise many times repeated during training. You mention other reasons but I think the primary reason is that most often BOV is on onboard diluent which is emptied in a matter of minutes necessitating the switch to the secondary offboard 2nd stage. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. = SK #007
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29th January 2008, 13:13	#15 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,439	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) If the unit is equipped with it, it will be used during class. Probably not exclusively, but it'll be part of it. Otherwise you wouldn't be learning that particular unit, and unit specific courses would not be needed. I know more than one instructor that when suggesting a final "meg" configuration to a student they include a Golem BOV from the start. They then make this part of the training program.
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29th January 2008, 14:02	#16 (permalink)
Hk101gr New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Patras,Greece Posts: 85	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545) My thoughts are they should be fitted to all Rebreathers as standard equipment!! Lance I couldn't agree more. They should have been fitted as standard to all commercialy available Rebreather's years ago.
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29th January 2008, 14:23	#17 (permalink)
Peter M New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 45	Re: Start with a BOV if it adds to safety i say yes, the Sentinel is my first Rebreather and this is one of the reasons i went for it.
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29th January 2008, 19:06	#18 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Menton, France Posts: 609	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles) I vote yes but, the BOV should not replace a second offboard 2nd stage. Skill to remove the BOV-DSV to replace with offboard 2nd stage should be developed and practised. Ever have a mouthpeice disconnect? or need to save a buddy? This is why it should be there from the start so it's all included in the course. Best Philippe
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29th January 2008, 22:33	#19 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 761	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) That was an excercise many times repeated during training. You mention other reasons but I think the primary reason is that most often BOV is on onboard diluent which is emptied in a matter of minutes necessitating the switch to the secondary offboard 2nd stage. Oh yeah, your right. I'm accustomed to having the BOV fed by offboard (I can switch to onboard if needed). I meant even in this config (which prevents the surprise emptying of a small OB tank). __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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29th January 2008, 22:39	#20 (permalink)
mattmexico Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Prism Topaz Sport Kiss RB80 / Clone Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Mexico, Q.Roo, Playa del Carmen Posts: 696	Re: Start with a BOV Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer) With the concern with CO2 hits, I am asking the Rebreather World contributors if BOV's should be allowed during the inital CCR training course? yo As far as I know they are not forbidden under any training agency standards and are free to choose as a wing style, color or size. greetings Matt __________________ N 20' 37.617' W 87' 04.693' www.andreaswmatthes.com
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