BOV Use Poll

***diverklondike*** · 29th November 2007, 10:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09)

I was one of the first to buy your BOV. I wouldn't dive a rebreather without one.

Ditto...

DaveC · 29th November 2007, 11:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Wanted one on the PRISM, got one on the Sport Kiss.
Would add one to any Rebreather that comes without it.

Ditto... what he said.

mattmexico · 29th November 2007, 12:34

yo

I dive a Rebreather 80 clone and classic KISS, both with BOV. My Megalodon and Optima don't have one. I am in the process of getting one for my Megalodon.

The discussion on Rebreather World was helpfull in the educational process on my behalf in regards to the BOV and survivasbility of certain CCR related emergency issues.

If I was sitting on the fence before so to speak in regards to BOV's, inbetween yes or ney ..... I think now a BOV can and will make all the difference in making it out of the drink alive or not. It is potentially a live saver.

Matt

RAL · 29th November 2007, 13:08

I cannot imagine not using one. Its like the old seat belt argument where once in a blue moon someone supposedly died because they had a set belt on. Concentrating on those rare times & ignoring the overwhelming % of the accidents where the seat belt saved lives. Ya gotta go with the odds as you see them. A BOV will not help if you have a caustic cocktail so you change to your bailout reg just like you would if you did not have BOV no? Where is the downside to using a BOV?

RAL

decoweenie · 29th November 2007, 13:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL)

Where is the downside to using a BOV?

I am always a BOV-proponent...

...but just for the sake of discussion, I will throw some out there so we have representations from both sides...

BOVs are, in general, heavier even in water.
BOVs have more drag in water.
BOVs have, in general, higher WOB which could lead to retaining CO2.
BOVs have more components to fail (i.e. like leaky 2nd stage) that could jeopardize safety (i.e. turn diluent off).
BOVs could give a fault sense of security, especially when configured incorrectly.
BOVs could be more dangerous when plumbing to hypoxic gas, and bail-out to it in surface emergencies when panick.

nskdrs · 29th November 2007, 13:37

Good to see how perspectives change IMHO:

BOVpoll01/2006

Mark Chase · 29th November 2007, 14:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I am always a BOV-proponent...

...but just for the sake of discussion, I will throw some out there so we have representations from both sides...

BOVs are, in general, heavier even in water.
BOVs have more drag in water.
BOVs have, in general, higher WOB which could lead to retaining CO2.
BOVs have more components to fail (i.e. like leaky 2nd stage) that could jeopardize safety (i.e. turn diluent off).
BOVs could give a fault sense of security, especially when configured incorrectly.
BOVs could be more dangerous when plumbing to hypoxic gas, and bail-out to it in surface emergencies when panick.

And yet i wouldent dive a CCR without one.

Golum is V/good with excellent customer support.

ATB

Mark

MarcLaukien · 29th November 2007, 14:16

For me, a BOV is an essential piece of equipment. I added a Golem BOV to my Optima, which is connected to off-board bail-out. It took me quite awhile to find a comfortable hose routing. It would be nice if it wouldn't be up to the user to figure that out, but if all manufacturers would at least offer the option to upgrade their CCRs to a BOV with plumbing to off-board bail-out.

Dave O · 29th November 2007, 14:53

The BOV was one of the prime reasons for my KISS purchase. Clearly the kit was designed for safety.

Personally I can not believe all Rebreather don't offer this as an option. Why should the end user have to spend $$ for a DSV, then more to upgrade, when they want a BOV from the start.

PaulTG2 · 29th November 2007, 19:21

Hello,

I purchased one shortly have I got the Meg. Last month I decided to install it and not wait the recommended 50 or 100 dives. I think the safety advantage of the BOV was more important.

-p

View Poll Results: BOV Use
I already use BOV	121	50.00%
I plan to use BOV	77	31.82%
I do not use/plan to use BOV	42	17.36%
What is BOV?	2	0.83%
Voters: 242. You may not vote on this poll

29th November 2007, 10:58	#11 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,436	Re: BOV Use Poll Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09) I was one of the first to buy your BOV. I wouldn't dive a rebreather without one. Ditto...
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29th November 2007, 11:30	#12 (permalink)
DaveC New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario. Canada Posts: 192	Re: BOV Use Poll Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Wanted one on the PRISM, got one on the Sport Kiss. Would add one to any Rebreather that comes without it. Ditto... what he said. __________________ Dave Any day in the water is better then any day in the office.
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29th November 2007, 12:34	#13 (permalink)
mattmexico Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Prism Topaz Sport Kiss RB80 / Clone Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Mexico, Q.Roo, Playa del Carmen Posts: 696	Re: BOV Use Poll yo I dive a Rebreather 80 clone and classic KISS, both with BOV. My Megalodon and Optima don't have one. I am in the process of getting one for my Megalodon. The discussion on Rebreather World was helpfull in the educational process on my behalf in regards to the BOV and survivasbility of certain CCR related emergency issues. If I was sitting on the fence before so to speak in regards to BOV's, inbetween yes or ney ..... I think now a BOV can and will make all the difference in making it out of the drink alive or not. It is potentially a live saver. Matt __________________ N 20' 37.617' W 87' 04.693' www.andreaswmatthes.com
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29th November 2007, 13:08	#14 (permalink)
RAL Longbottom Time Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Florida Posts: 358	Re: BOV Use Poll I cannot imagine not using one. Its like the old seat belt argument where once in a blue moon someone supposedly died because they had a set belt on. Concentrating on those rare times & ignoring the overwhelming % of the accidents where the seat belt saved lives. Ya gotta go with the odds as you see them. A BOV will not help if you have a caustic cocktail so you change to your bailout reg just like you would if you did not have BOV no? Where is the downside to using a BOV? RAL __________________ The sea does not care about you.
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29th November 2007, 13:20	#15 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,509	Re: BOV Use Poll Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL) Where is the downside to using a BOV? I am always a BOV-proponent... ...but just for the sake of discussion, I will throw some out there so we have representations from both sides... BOVs are, in general, heavier even in water. BOVs have more drag in water. BOVs have, in general, higher WOB which could lead to retaining CO2. BOVs have more components to fail (i.e. like leaky 2nd stage) that could jeopardize safety (i.e. turn diluent off). BOVs could give a fault sense of security, especially when configured incorrectly. BOVs could be more dangerous when plumbing to hypoxic gas, and bail-out to it in surface emergencies when panick. Last edited by decoweenie : 29th November 2007 at 13:43. Reason: add more...
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29th November 2007, 13:37	#16 (permalink)
nskdrs New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: germany Posts: 79	Re: BOV Use Poll Good to see how perspectives change IMHO: BOVpoll01/2006
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29th November 2007, 14:01	#17 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,410	Re: BOV Use Poll Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I am always a BOV-proponent... ...but just for the sake of discussion, I will throw some out there so we have representations from both sides... BOVs are, in general, heavier even in water. BOVs have more drag in water. BOVs have, in general, higher WOB which could lead to retaining CO2. BOVs have more components to fail (i.e. like leaky 2nd stage) that could jeopardize safety (i.e. turn diluent off). BOVs could give a fault sense of security, especially when configured incorrectly. BOVs could be more dangerous when plumbing to hypoxic gas, and bail-out to it in surface emergencies when panick. And yet i wouldent dive a CCR without one. Golum is V/good with excellent customer support. ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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29th November 2007, 14:16	#18 (permalink)
MarcLaukien Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Optima Other CCR Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South East Florida Posts: 169	Re: BOV Use Poll For me, a BOV is an essential piece of equipment. I added a Golem BOV to my Optima, which is connected to off-board bail-out. It took me quite awhile to find a comfortable hose routing. It would be nice if it wouldn't be up to the user to figure that out, but if all manufacturers would at least offer the option to upgrade their CCRs to a BOV with plumbing to off-board bail-out.
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29th November 2007, 14:53	#19 (permalink)
Dave O Wreck Diver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 101	Re: BOV Use Poll The BOV was one of the prime reasons for my KISS purchase. Clearly the kit was designed for safety. Personally I can not believe all Rebreather don't offer this as an option. Why should the end user have to spend $$ for a DSV, then more to upgrade, when they want a BOV from the start. __________________ Only people who bat for the wrong team wash their undersuits......... I wanna smell piss when I go diving, not ferkin' fabric softener! <decodiver> Schizophrenics never dive solo. My Blog
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29th November 2007, 19:21	#20 (permalink)
PaulTG2 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 324	Re: BOV Use Poll Hello, I purchased one shortly have I got the Meg. Last month I decided to install it and not wait the recommended 50 or 100 dives. I think the safety advantage of the BOV was more important. -p Last edited by PaulTG2 : 29th November 2007 at 19:23.
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