BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef

RonMicjan · 17th April 2007, 22:10

it sure would have been nice for the original scuba LPI to have enough flow to drive a regulator, wonder how hard it would be to get the whole industry to switch over for every application.

Dave Sutton · 17th April 2007, 22:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

it sure would have been nice for the original scuba LPI to have enough flow to drive a regulator, wonder how hard it would be to get the whole industry to switch over for every application.

The original fitting was, get this: A Hansen fitting as used on the top of the US Navy Mark-VI "Emerson Lung" 02 rebreather. It's the same fitting as we now use on BC inflators. The original has a locking collar that you can twist and which prevents the coupling from being removed until unlocked. But once it's unlocked, it is the same old "pull to disconnect" fitting with the same size and dimensions as the standard BC fitting we all (love/hate). Seapro made the first commercial BC with that fitting, and it's been that way since. Just the way the "first guy" did it, and the way it still is.

Dave

jaap · 17th April 2007, 22:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Consider this:

Need to rob gas? Steal your buddies drysuit or wing hose. Just make sure he does not use argon!

Dave

Now that is a thing we have done a few times. Sometimes a BCD-longhose would have been nice...

I don't get it why some guys use tiny suitbottles for multiple dives...

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

BOV, Drysuit, BC Inflation (Apeks breathing valve on the wings), and all offboard gas connections done using CEJN fittings...

Plug and play anyplace, anytime.
Dave

Yes, I know the CEJN has a bigger area thus better flow. But for ADV or shallow OC-breathing (O2) the std BCD-fitting works fine.

The trouble is I and most of my buddies have standardized on the (inferior) std BCD-fitting.

Deeper down the std BCD-fitting is probably limiting OC-flow (I tried it at 45 m on 21/35, not good).

I recently got a Divematics BOV so now I think I have to make the switch to the (better) CEJN for everything....to be able to disconnect, use any hose and breath from it deeper. The hard thing is to make my buddies do the same....

One concern about using the same connector on everything is keeping track of having the right gas plugged in. Normally no issue, but it would not be so nice to plug in that air filled (or worse) suit bottle to the ADV and the mix to the suit...

Since I mostly use a sling-Rebreather I sometimes plug in the dil in water, there is the risk of taking the wrong hose if I happened to forgot to pug in something. else.

Dave Sutton · 17th April 2007, 22:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by jaap)

One concern about using the same connector on everything is keeping track of having the right gas plugged in. Normally no issue, but it would not be so nice to plug in that air filled (or worse) suit bottle to the ADV and the mix to the suit....

I make my own hoses and color code them all: Green = 02, Blue = Normoxic Diluent, Yellow = Hypoxic Diluent, Black = "utility" such as suit gas.

If not color coded hoses, use color coded hose protectors at the QD end.

Just an idea...

Dave

teksimple · 17th April 2007, 22:57

Now, if I could only find 2nd stage hose to CEJN coupling adapters, ala standard 2nd stage hose to LPI coupling adaptor here.

That way, you would not have to buy a bunch of specific hoses. Have one hose type, and then adapters depending on your location and who your buddy is. That way if your buddies are carrying bailout with different connectors, you won't die because you standardized on something else. Plus, for traveling, can leave a bunch of hoses at home and just bring the adapters.

fredrik · 18th April 2007, 17:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

But once it's unlocked, it is the same old "pull to disconnect" fitting with the same size and dimensions as the standard BC fitting we all (love/hate).
Dave

The problem seems to be that NOT all "standard BC fittings" are that standard. A lot of times a hose of one brand won´t fit a male conector of an other brand and some times the fit only by a little bit of violence.

How about if we, at this comunity, start our own standad and go for CEIJN all the way? I´m in!

fredrik · 18th April 2007, 17:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple)

Now, if I could only find 2nd stage hose to CEJN coupling adapters, ala standard 2nd stage hose to LPI coupling adaptor here.

That way, you would not have to buy a bunch of specific hoses. Have one hose type, and then adapters depending on your location and who your buddy is. That way if your buddies are carrying bailout with different connectors, you won't die because you standardized on something else. Plus, for traveling, can leave a bunch of hoses at home and just bring the adapters.

I think I got one of those with CEIJN as well, I will try to find it and get a picture of it.

teksimple · 18th April 2007, 19:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by fredrik)

I think I got one of those with CEIJN as well, I will try to find it and get a picture of it.

I would be VERY interested. Would buy a dozen of them right now...

teksimple · 18th April 2007, 19:44

Would this possibly be the fitting?

Does anyone know if the Zeagle octo or Seaquest Air source have the CEJN fitting?

teksimple · 19th April 2007, 17:25

They are the same fitting! I just cleaned out Northeast Scuba Supply of their stock. I would rather go with them first before Leisure Pro.

17th April 2007, 22:10	#11 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,083	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef it sure would have been nice for the original scuba LPI to have enough flow to drive a regulator, wonder how hard it would be to get the whole industry to switch over for every application. __________________ Ron "Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you different, is selling something", The Dread Pirate Wesley. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc.
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17th April 2007, 22:15	#12 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) it sure would have been nice for the original scuba LPI to have enough flow to drive a regulator, wonder how hard it would be to get the whole industry to switch over for every application. The original fitting was, get this: A Hansen fitting as used on the top of the US Navy Mark-VI "Emerson Lung" 02 rebreather. It's the same fitting as we now use on BC inflators. The original has a locking collar that you can twist and which prevents the coupling from being removed until unlocked. But once it's unlocked, it is the same old "pull to disconnect" fitting with the same size and dimensions as the standard BC fitting we all (love/hate). Seapro made the first commercial BC with that fitting, and it's been that way since. Just the way the "first guy" did it, and the way it still is. Dave
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17th April 2007, 22:27	#13 (permalink)
jaap Normal people worry me Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR RB80 / Clone Ray Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Ray Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 445	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Consider this: Need to rob gas? Steal your buddies drysuit or wing hose. Just make sure he does not use argon! Dave Now that is a thing we have done a few times. Sometimes a BCD-longhose would have been nice... I don't get it why some guys use tiny suitbottles for multiple dives... Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) BOV, Drysuit, BC Inflation (Apeks breathing valve on the wings), and all offboard gas connections done using CEJN fittings... Plug and play anyplace, anytime. Dave Yes, I know the CEJN has a bigger area thus better flow. But for ADV or shallow OC-breathing (O2) the std BCD-fitting works fine. The trouble is I and most of my buddies have standardized on the (inferior) std BCD-fitting. Deeper down the std BCD-fitting is probably limiting OC-flow (I tried it at 45 m on 21/35, not good). I recently got a Divematics BOV so now I think I have to make the switch to the (better) CEJN for everything....to be able to disconnect, use any hose and breath from it deeper. The hard thing is to make my buddies do the same.... One concern about using the same connector on everything is keeping track of having the right gas plugged in. Normally no issue, but it would not be so nice to plug in that air filled (or worse) suit bottle to the ADV and the mix to the suit... Since I mostly use a sling-Rebreather I sometimes plug in the dil in water, there is the risk of taking the wrong hose if I happened to forgot to pug in something. else. __________________ My initials: JAAP
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17th April 2007, 22:36	#14 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Quote: (Originally Posted by jaap) One concern about using the same connector on everything is keeping track of having the right gas plugged in. Normally no issue, but it would not be so nice to plug in that air filled (or worse) suit bottle to the ADV and the mix to the suit.... I make my own hoses and color code them all: Green = 02, Blue = Normoxic Diluent, Yellow = Hypoxic Diluent, Black = "utility" such as suit gas. If not color coded hoses, use color coded hose protectors at the QD end. Just an idea... Dave
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17th April 2007, 22:57	#15 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 495	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Now, if I could only find 2nd stage hose to CEJN coupling adapters, ala standard 2nd stage hose to LPI coupling adaptor here. That way, you would not have to buy a bunch of specific hoses. Have one hose type, and then adapters depending on your location and who your buddy is. That way if your buddies are carrying bailout with different connectors, you won't die because you standardized on something else. Plus, for traveling, can leave a bunch of hoses at home and just bring the adapters. __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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18th April 2007, 17:03	#16 (permalink)
fredrik Rekodeko. Sweden Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 191	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) But once it's unlocked, it is the same old "pull to disconnect" fitting with the same size and dimensions as the standard BC fitting we all (love/hate). Dave The problem seems to be that NOT all "standard BC fittings" are that standard. A lot of times a hose of one brand won´t fit a male conector of an other brand and some times the fit only by a little bit of violence. How about if we, at this comunity, start our own standad and go for CEIJN all the way? I´m in! __________________ Fredrik Rekodeko, Sweden http://www.rekodeko.se
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18th April 2007, 17:06	#17 (permalink)
fredrik Rekodeko. Sweden Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 191	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple) Now, if I could only find 2nd stage hose to CEJN coupling adapters, ala standard 2nd stage hose to LPI coupling adaptor here. That way, you would not have to buy a bunch of specific hoses. Have one hose type, and then adapters depending on your location and who your buddy is. That way if your buddies are carrying bailout with different connectors, you won't die because you standardized on something else. Plus, for traveling, can leave a bunch of hoses at home and just bring the adapters. I think I got one of those with CEIJN as well, I will try to find it and get a picture of it. __________________ Fredrik Rekodeko, Sweden http://www.rekodeko.se
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18th April 2007, 19:39	#18 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 495	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Quote: (Originally Posted by fredrik) I think I got one of those with CEIJN as well, I will try to find it and get a picture of it. I would be VERY interested. Would buy a dozen of them right now... __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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18th April 2007, 19:44	#19 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 495	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef Would this possibly be the fitting? Does anyone know if the Zeagle octo or Seaquest Air source have the CEJN fitting? __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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19th April 2007, 17:25	#20 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 495	Re: BOV Quick Disconnect - Ocean Reef They are the same fitting! I just cleaned out Northeast Scuba Supply of their stock. I would rather go with them first before Leisure Pro. __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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