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**PhilSiswick** · 22nd February 2007, 15:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by seppu)

hi
sorry for me its the taste here.we can talk about the fake ce from seaway.thats a really fake,no problem.(the file comes from me)
but submatix work in germany so there must find a legal way to sell the breather.meg,revo and kiss sell the breather only for decoration to the eu or need third non eu contries(swisse).in my eyes is this more illegal than submatix.in germany we say"wer im glashaus sitzt der soll nicht mit steinen werfen"

the revodreamholder works brilliant with the shearwater.thanks for this piece of cake.also the revodream.
thanks sepp

Hi Sepp,

If I've understood you correctly, you're saying that it may be more illegal (or at least morally questionable) to circumvent CE by selling a unit via a third country, or for non-diving purposes, than it is to have a misleading CE certificate (i.e one for the unit you are selling, but not for the way that most users will use it).

I don't agree with you at all. Anyone buying a non-CE unit that doesn't claim to be CE knows that they are buying a unit without CE. That's fine - caveat emptor.

Someone who buys a unit with a CE marking will assume that it has been tested to European standards as a rebreather for diving, when it hasn't. That is misrepresentation and therefore fraud in the most obvious form and not very much different to what Seaway have allegedly done.

Just my 0.2p worth.

Cheers,

22nd February 2007, 15:55	#45 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,099	Re: submatix EC approval organisation Quote: (Originally Posted by seppu) hi sorry for me its the taste here.we can talk about the fake ce from seaway.thats a really fake,no problem.(the file comes from me) but submatix work in germany so there must find a legal way to sell the breather.meg,revo and kiss sell the breather only for decoration to the eu or need third non eu contries(swisse).in my eyes is this more illegal than submatix.in germany we say"wer im glashaus sitzt der soll nicht mit steinen werfen" the revodreamholder works brilliant with the shearwater.thanks for this piece of cake.also the revodream. thanks sepp Hi Sepp, If I've understood you correctly, you're saying that it may be more illegal (or at least morally questionable) to circumvent CE by selling a unit via a third country, or for non-diving purposes, than it is to have a misleading CE certificate (i.e one for the unit you are selling, but not for the way that most users will use it). I don't agree with you at all. Anyone buying a non-CE unit that doesn't claim to be CE knows that they are buying a unit without CE. That's fine - caveat emptor. Someone who buys a unit with a CE marking will assume that it has been tested to European standards as a rebreather for diving, when it hasn't. That is misrepresentation and therefore fraud in the most obvious form and not very much different to what Seaway have allegedly done. Just my 0.2p worth. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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