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**jmurba** · 28th December 2006, 22:20

[quote=Decodiver;85844]Jean I have been diving CCR since 1989 and I still learn things.

++++ I've dived from 1979 and I also still learn, I am sure that you would have thing to teach me what i say you is that getting a card that i could not use in a club cause CCR kiss does not exist in France legaly, so what would i do with that ?

Your concerns about the legality of certain machines are nullified by your modification to your Dolphin, it is no more a legal CCR than a KISS!

+++++hey hey hey I am not blaming you to do so, i am just telling you that you don't have the rigth to do it
French law say that the use of non EC rebreather is illegal in any professionnal situation (club, school..etc) ,
I dive privately with my rib so I am in the legal side, if you teach kiss in france you take a big legal risk, I only say that to prevent you from any problem not to blame you, it is great that you fight this stupid law , but the law is stronger that you are...I am a lawyer, I had several cases of lethal accidents in clubs , belive me if a judge has to deal with an accident concerning a student whose instructor has equipped with a non EC rebreather, the instructor will be charge with unvoluntary murder.
a safety law is in the judge mind more inportant then anything else, the jugde will never try to see if it the kiss is one of the safest Rebreather in the world

The offer is there anyway, if you are happy that your knowledge is sufficient who am I to disagree?

+++++ Dave honestly, don't take it personnaly, I am a ****ing old diver, i began diving when i was 12 yars old , i live 500m from my boat, most of the time i do 1 to 2 dives a week except during holidays time where i dive every day....I've degreed trimix oc 10 years ago and did many trimixes dives, I've dived SCr from 96 to 2002 and went on diving trimix scr and then switched to ccr kiss style, I have modified my breather and designed, constructed, programmed a pic gauge where we are on the wy of implement buhlman deco....
so you want to teach a ****ing guy like me ? you ar going to get a big headacke ((((-:
Ok I am far from being better then anyone else, I only dive shallow arround 40/50m , last time i did a smal "peak" down to 55 m and noticed my ppo2 was getting up to 1.45 and that it was dificult to get it down to 1.2 (my usualy "setpoint"), this is why i asked what diluant was good for those kind of depth, asking a question is normal , this not a sign of ignorance, it is just why Rebreather lists are there.
because there not only one rsponse to a question, remenber the argument between the pionner 10 years ago on newdesing list.
is it so great to be able to get the info from big divers that gives you their experience, their different points of view
the diving instructor you are know that the old experieced divers are the worsts to teach....
It would be very difficult for me to take a course where I know 99% of what the instructor says....
This summer I have simply assited to a buddy insp course in ireland.... well appart from the things directly related to the yellow bow, i did not learnt many things, more then that did not aggree a couple of thing that the instructor was teaching his trainees like rebreathing diluant in emergency, group oc bail out sharing , set point choise ...etc....

ok it is certain that any one has to learn, I made the choise to self educate myself, so as a matter of fact i had to learn every diving day.....I would not push my son to do it and would prefer to sign in a tek course....but for me it is over (((-:

on the other hand if the kiss gets a legal satuts in france i will be the first to get a card, cause i wil have reason to do so to be allowed to dive in centers,

please don't take my comments personnal, I am home builder.....not good ccr instructor client sorry....(-:, it is not a question of money cause i spent mutch more money then an inspiration unit and it's ccr course...just a question of opinion.....(((-: just think that thousand of guys are currently building in their garage the plane that thy will pilote 2 years late without having learnt anything about plane construction at school before...it is difficult to understand peolple like us....

regards

jean mi

28th December 2006, 22:20	#16 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 918	Re: diluant choice [quote=Decodiver;85844]Jean I have been diving CCR since 1989 and I still learn things. ++++ I've dived from 1979 and I also still learn, I am sure that you would have thing to teach me what i say you is that getting a card that i could not use in a club cause CCR kiss does not exist in France legaly, so what would i do with that ? Your concerns about the legality of certain machines are nullified by your modification to your Dolphin, it is no more a legal CCR than a KISS! +++++hey hey hey I am not blaming you to do so, i am just telling you that you don't have the rigth to do it French law say that the use of non EC rebreather is illegal in any professionnal situation (club, school..etc) , I dive privately with my rib so I am in the legal side, if you teach kiss in france you take a big legal risk, I only say that to prevent you from any problem not to blame you, it is great that you fight this stupid law , but the law is stronger that you are...I am a lawyer, I had several cases of lethal accidents in clubs , belive me if a judge has to deal with an accident concerning a student whose instructor has equipped with a non EC rebreather, the instructor will be charge with unvoluntary murder. a safety law is in the judge mind more inportant then anything else, the jugde will never try to see if it the kiss is one of the safest Rebreather in the world The offer is there anyway, if you are happy that your knowledge is sufficient who am I to disagree? +++++ Dave honestly, don't take it personnaly, I am a **ing old diver, i began diving when i was 12 yars old , i live 500m from my boat, most of the time i do 1 to 2 dives a week except during holidays time where i dive every day....I've degreed trimix oc 10 years ago and did many trimixes dives, I've dived SCr from 96 to 2002 and went on diving trimix scr and then switched to ccr kiss style, I have modified my breather and designed, constructed, programmed a pic gauge where we are on the wy of implement buhlman deco.... so you want to teach a **ing guy like me ? you ar going to get a big headacke ((((-: Ok I am far from being better then anyone else, I only dive shallow arround 40/50m , last time i did a smal "peak" down to 55 m and noticed my ppo2 was getting up to 1.45 and that it was dificult to get it down to 1.2 (my usualy "setpoint"), this is why i asked what diluant was good for those kind of depth, asking a question is normal , this not a sign of ignorance, it is just why Rebreather lists are there. because there not only one rsponse to a question, remenber the argument between the pionner 10 years ago on newdesing list. is it so great to be able to get the info from big divers that gives you their experience, their different points of view the diving instructor you are know that the old experieced divers are the worsts to teach.... It would be very difficult for me to take a course where I know 99% of what the instructor says.... This summer I have simply assited to a buddy insp course in ireland.... well appart from the things directly related to the yellow bow, i did not learnt many things, more then that did not aggree a couple of thing that the instructor was teaching his trainees like rebreathing diluant in emergency, group oc bail out sharing , set point choise ...etc.... ok it is certain that any one has to learn, I made the choise to self educate myself, so as a matter of fact i had to learn every diving day.....I would not push my son to do it and would prefer to sign in a tek course....but for me it is over (((-: on the other hand if the kiss gets a legal satuts in france i will be the first to get a card, cause i wil have reason to do so to be allowed to dive in centers, please don't take my comments personnal, I am home builder.....not good ccr instructor client sorry....(-:, it is not a question of money cause i spent mutch more money then an inspiration unit and it's ccr course...just a question of opinion.....(((-: just think that thousand of guys are currently building in their garage the plane that thy will pilote 2 years late without having learnt anything about plane construction at school before...it is difficult to understand peolple like us.... regards jean mi
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