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Genesis · 28th November 2006, 14:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9)

The lockout conditions are based on the previous dive, and come into play only when the dive has finished (i.e. the unit is not being breathed from for more than 15 minutes or the unit is dry on both handset and base).
The period of the lockout depends on what is done:

Depth limit +20%, 1 day.
Depth limit >20%, 1 week.
Dive greater than limit with use of He mixes on air unit, lockout until serviced.
There is no lockout on deco breaches.

Further comments welcome.

Alex

Locked out until serviced? Not because the unit detects it can't be safely used - but because it doesn't like what you did (and obviously safely returned from, or you wouldn't be in a position to use it again, would you?)

Do you really think people will buy this thing Alex with that sort of nannyism built-in? More to the point, why should anyone tolerate this sort of nonsense?

This is like a car that refuses to start until towed to the dealership if you speed while operating it but only if you actually wear a seatbelt while speeding - otherwise it won't start for a day or a week, depending how fast you were going.

So if you do something radically unsafe, then it locks you out for a day or week. But if you do something safer (by using a non-narcotic breathing mix) but haven't got your formal "nanny state" card to go with the safer practice, then the unit turns into a worthless but very expensive paperweight.

I think you can figure out what my response to this sort of stupidity is, and its not printable in polite company.

Such a product would never sell in any other product, and I suspect you're going to get a similar surprise here as well.

Oh, I hope you fully disclose all this before you take anyone's money and have a documented paper trail evidencing their full, legal consent (and no, having some instructor tell you won't cut it.) Otherwise I suspect you'll have a really serious legal problem when your kit intentionally disables itself, thereby rendering itself intentionally unfit for the purpose it was sold for!

28th November 2006, 14:47	#50 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,394	Re: Open source, I see problems. Questions. Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9) The lockout conditions are based on the previous dive, and come into play only when the dive has finished (i.e. the unit is not being breathed from for more than 15 minutes or the unit is dry on both handset and base). The period of the lockout depends on what is done: Depth limit +20%, 1 day. Depth limit >20%, 1 week. Dive greater than limit with use of He mixes on air unit, lockout until serviced. There is no lockout on deco breaches. Further comments welcome. Alex Locked out until serviced? Not because the unit detects it can't be safely used - but because it doesn't like what you did (and obviously safely returned from, or you wouldn't be in a position to use it again, would you?) Do you really think people will buy this thing Alex with that sort of nannyism built-in? More to the point, why should anyone tolerate this sort of nonsense? This is like a car that refuses to start until towed to the dealership if you speed while operating it but only if you actually wear a seatbelt while speeding - otherwise it won't start for a day or a week, depending how fast you were going. So if you do something radically unsafe, then it locks you out for a day or week. But if you do something safer (by using a non-narcotic breathing mix) but haven't got your formal "nanny state" card to go with the safer practice, then the unit turns into a worthless but very expensive paperweight. I think you can figure out what my response to this sort of stupidity is, and its not printable in polite company. Such a product would never sell in any other product, and I suspect you're going to get a similar surprise here as well. Oh, I hope you fully disclose all this before you take anyone's money and have a documented paper trail evidencing their full, legal consent (and no, having some instructor tell you won't cut it.) Otherwise I suspect you'll have a really serious legal problem when your kit intentionally disables itself, thereby rendering itself intentionally unfit for the purpose it was sold for! __________________ "A venturesome minority will always be eager to get off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks for Godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American." http://www.denninger.net http://www.diversunion.org/liability.htm - Fix the Diving Cert racket
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