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bgpartri · 3rd May 2006, 17:22

Cross posted with permission from the rebreather list.

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wner-rebreather@nwdesigns.com]On Behalf Of Mad Mole
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:24 AM
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Subject: Fwd: RE: Penny Wise: Or how to become a statistic!

Agree completely Rich and suspected this a long time ago

I'll let folks into a small secret, if you remember about 3 years ago I started an Inspiration users survey on the DiverMole site which collected a lot of stats and figures. As part of that survey I asked about qualifications, problems etc. While I was collating it I noticed that some folks seemed to accept more risks than others and I developed a risk scoring system and allocated a score to all replyees

Some of the risk scores were pretty high and I have kept a list of the top 10 highest scores in a separate file. I am not going to name names as the whole survey is confidential but I will just mention that of the original 10 I have had to cross 4 off as they are no longer with us. 2 others were buddies of people on that list on their fatal dives

So I am beginning to suspect that I have a pretty good idea of the indicators to folks likely to be a statistic and I think its maybe a good time to reveal what I consider to be the number one correlation so far

#1 Correlation factor
USERS HAVE BEGUN A DIVE WITH A CELL WARNING OR FAILURE AND OR HAVE CONTINUED A DIVE WHEN SAID ERRORS HAVE ACCURED DURING IT

Thats it, simple isnt it. But I think this ties in nicely with other folks incidental evidence. Once you get so complacent that you are willing to dive with your life support showing a warning/error then as far as I'm concerned you are well on your way to being a statistic

So hands up if you have ever jumped in or continued a dive with a warning or error showing and ask yourself WHY did you do this? Why did you dive knowing some of your redundancy was missing? Why did you dive knowing you were already over the side of the incedent pit? I think if we can understand this issue we can think about ways to curtail/limit it. but first I think we will need some truthful answers from those that have done so and why that some folks deem the risk aceptable while I personally would call the dive at the slightest warning and would still be sitting on the boat if I had a cell warning during my pre dive checks (Cept I always carry spare cells)

Stephen (Mole)

3rd May 2006, 17:22	#5 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Re: Risk Cross posted with permission from the rebreather list. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rebreather@nwdesigns.com [mailtowner-rebreather@nwdesigns.com]On Behalf Of Mad Mole Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:24 AM To: rebreather@nwdesigns.com Subject: Fwd: RE: Penny Wise: Or how to become a statistic! Agree completely Rich and suspected this a long time ago I'll let folks into a small secret, if you remember about 3 years ago I started an Inspiration users survey on the DiverMole site which collected a lot of stats and figures. As part of that survey I asked about qualifications, problems etc. While I was collating it I noticed that some folks seemed to accept more risks than others and I developed a risk scoring system and allocated a score to all replyees Some of the risk scores were pretty high and I have kept a list of the top 10 highest scores in a separate file. I am not going to name names as the whole survey is confidential but I will just mention that of the original 10 I have had to cross 4 off as they are no longer with us. 2 others were buddies of people on that list on their fatal dives So I am beginning to suspect that I have a pretty good idea of the indicators to folks likely to be a statistic and I think its maybe a good time to reveal what I consider to be the number one correlation so far #1 Correlation factor USERS HAVE BEGUN A DIVE WITH A CELL WARNING OR FAILURE AND OR HAVE CONTINUED A DIVE WHEN SAID ERRORS HAVE ACCURED DURING IT Thats it, simple isnt it. But I think this ties in nicely with other folks incidental evidence. Once you get so complacent that you are willing to dive with your life support showing a warning/error then as far as I'm concerned you are well on your way to being a statistic So hands up if you have ever jumped in or continued a dive with a warning or error showing and ask yourself WHY did you do this? Why did you dive knowing some of your redundancy was missing? Why did you dive knowing you were already over the side of the incedent pit? I think if we can understand this issue we can think about ways to curtail/limit it. but first I think we will need some truthful answers from those that have done so and why that some folks deem the risk aceptable while I personally would call the dive at the slightest warning and would still be sitting on the boat if I had a cell warning during my pre dive checks (Cept I always carry spare cells) Stephen (Mole) __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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