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AD_ward9 · 10th January 2006, 21:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis)

DAN's "reply" is up at http://diversalertnetwork.com/news/a...asp?newsid=709

The gist of their response is that the charges are higher than they're willing to pay, the dispute is real, and people are suing one another over the dispute. There were plenty of weasel words in there about whether or not you'd end up having to pull out your AMEX if you found yourself needing to use one of those chambers...... whenever someone doens't say straight up "no", you can assume the answer is "yes".

Oh, they also took the time to identify by name one individual and blame him for the whole thing.

Ok, with that said, where's the DAN people with what IS "usual and customary"? And how come they're not saying something like this:

"Chamber treatments for a standard Table 6 range in cost from $x to $y in the region in question. The people we're having the dispute with want to charge $Z, which exceeds $Y by an outrageous amount."

Hmmmm...... no answers from DAN - just dodgeball..... I'm NOT impressed, and its clear that the long knives are out on both sides. This does not benefit us as the purchasers of these services...... before you dive, you might want to make sure the chamber you're closest to will take your dive insurance without problems!

Let us wait for DAN to be able to answer this, as they have promised, otherwise we become a bunch of hoodlums assisting some chamber operator to deal in a heavy handed with DAN.

I feel a lot of sympathy for DAN America. Chamber charges are scandalous, most seem very unreasonable, and many keep out competition by close association with regulators. This means that DAN Europe is a lot more expensive than DAN America, as these incestuous relationships are stronger in Europe than the US (at least they are in Scotland: I can give some real horror stories of what happens if you try and take business from a chamber operator who has an exclusive for a territory).

Someone has to say where the buck stops. The statement from DAN America, relayed here, seems a very sensible one.

What the chamber operator seems to be doing is blackmailing DAN America to pay whatever they dream up. If we all stood behind DAN America on this, it might strart driving down insurance costs.

My 2c.

Cheers
Alex

10th January 2006, 21:06	#14 (permalink)
AD_ward9 So much more to learn Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,732	Re: D.A.N. America Warning! Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis) DAN's "reply" is up at http://diversalertnetwork.com/news/a...asp?newsid=709 The gist of their response is that the charges are higher than they're willing to pay, the dispute is real, and people are suing one another over the dispute. There were plenty of weasel words in there about whether or not you'd end up having to pull out your AMEX if you found yourself needing to use one of those chambers...... whenever someone doens't say straight up "no", you can assume the answer is "yes". Oh, they also took the time to identify by name one individual and blame him for the whole thing. Ok, with that said, where's the DAN people with what IS "usual and customary"? And how come they're not saying something like this: "Chamber treatments for a standard Table 6 range in cost from $x to $y in the region in question. The people we're having the dispute with want to charge $Z, which exceeds $Y by an outrageous amount." Hmmmm...... no answers from DAN - just dodgeball..... I'm NOT impressed, and its clear that the long knives are out on both sides. This does not benefit us as the purchasers of these services...... before you dive, you might want to make sure the chamber you're closest to will take your dive insurance without problems! Let us wait for DAN to be able to answer this, as they have promised, otherwise we become a bunch of hoodlums assisting some chamber operator to deal in a heavy handed with DAN. I feel a lot of sympathy for DAN America. Chamber charges are scandalous, most seem very unreasonable, and many keep out competition by close association with regulators. This means that DAN Europe is a lot more expensive than DAN America, as these incestuous relationships are stronger in Europe than the US (at least they are in Scotland: I can give some real horror stories of what happens if you try and take business from a chamber operator who has an exclusive for a territory). Someone has to say where the buck stops. The statement from DAN America, relayed here, seems a very sensible one. What the chamber operator seems to be doing is blackmailing DAN America to pay whatever they dream up. If we all stood behind DAN America on this, it might strart driving down insurance costs. My 2c. Cheers Alex
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