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Yup, simply a technical and organisation exercise- nothing more.
what more would you like? How is a deep/long cave dive anything more than an exercise is technology and organisation? As I always say about our expeditions, the actual diving is often the easy part of an expedition - its the planning logistics organisation, manageament , filling and staging all the bail tanks, setting up all the equipment - thats often the biggest challange and hardest part (and part most time is spent on)
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Going to 233mtrs laying line in a cave, staying for 2minutes then returning Would be a dive- it had purpose and accomplished something, going to wreck at that depth and doing nothing is not "diving" its a shotline inspection.
since when does a dive need to have a purpose or to accomplish something in order for it to be considered a dive? Jump in, swim around a bit and come back up is as good a purpose as any as far as I can see.
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I still fail to see the reason for the bounce- bounce it to claim a record depth yes, to do a dive- no, stay longer, go into saturation and use the bell for what it was designed then claim it was a dive- yes maybe but its not SCUBA.
what is the reason we do any dive? do we need to justify it to others? Why stay longer than 2mins? just so Ben considers this a real 'dive' Why climb everest without oxygen? why do it with an artificial leg, why not spend a week camped ontop of everest? why sit there at 233m ongassing?
re: the use of a bell shallower: SOP where possible on deep cave dives is to use a habitat - is that ok? is it still a scuba dive?
if i do a ccr dive am i allowed to go oc in the habitat and to the surface? can i still call it a Rebreather dive? Gosh I didnt realise its so strict. I think your getting a bit carried away with semantics
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Yes I was being silly, sorry to all... but I stand by my comment that this massive exercise is not a diving record in the slightest and I find the attitude and claims as such to be insulting.
why on EARTH do you find it insulting?? and who is it insulting/hurting? Have you actually looked at what crap apears in the guiness book of records? Who the hell cares??
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Then don't dare claim records that you haven't broken- in my humble opinion you made the sponsers look silly by claiming non-existent records.
Your far too lightly dismissing this point so ill emphasise it on Pims behalf if he doesnt mind.
Big dives are damned expensive. Anyone doing big dives and expeds are often heavily sponsored. The sponsors want their pound of flesh, they want advertising. As everyone knows in the world of marketting its all about catchy headlines and words like 'records' or 'firsts' are banded around THATS just part of the marketting circus. You may not like it but those that need to find sponsors (and keep them happy) have little choice but to 'speak the marketting language'. Whenever Ive spoken to marketting people they always want to know 'is it a record?' 'is it a 1st'
Dont hate the player - hate the game.
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What you have essentially done is a commercial hard hat dive, as done on daily basis throughout the world, except you used some rebreathers for the bottom bit... otherwise it completely unrelated to SCUBA diving, rebreathers and jo-public.
again this is simply not true. We know a lot about sat diving to these depths. we know how that works we know a lot about sat deco and procedures, the equipment used, the processes and methodology. What these guys did we know very little about and that is deep bounce diving (which effectively what all (but longests cave) scuba dives are) Sure avergae joe diver isnt going to gain anything from this dive - but just about everyone doing v deep (and by definition 'bounce') dives will look at what these guys did, how they did it, what worked, what didnt. Many will gain knowledge from such a dive, who will gain and how much will they gain from your last dive????? Thats the difference.